Adjust Font Size: A A       Guest settings   Register

Expected Win Totals

Discussion in the Open Talk forum
Expected Win Totals
Something struck me as being odd when looking at the Central League standings on Yahoo's sports site. See below, and please forgive the slopiness:

(Team, Games Played, W, L, T, Pct, Runs Scored, Runs Allowed, Team BA, Team ERA)

Hanshin 42 27 14 1 .658 232 165 .289 3.56
Hiroshima 36 19 17 0 .527 153 181 .252 4.64
Kyojin 40 20 19 1 .512 211 191 .276 4.44
Chunichi 43 22 21 0 .511 191 227 .266 4.61
Yakult 42 21 21 0 .500 228 189 .288 4.22
Yokohama 41 12 29 0 .292 156 218 .248 4.57

Notice how Hiroshima and Chunichi have both been badly outscored, yet both teams are over .500. And Yakult has been playing (statistically) well on both sides of the ball, but yet remains at break even. Interesting...

I know it's still early, and this data is maybe skewed by blowouts. But does anyone know how to calculate expected win totals based on runs scored/allowed for the Central League? It would be an interesting stat to see.

My thinking is that if Yakult continues to hit and pitch like they have been, eventually they will get hot and win a heap of games. Likewise, Chunichi and Hiroshima are probably headed for a fall.

While we're on the topic of statistics, how clutch is Hanshin's Hamanaka? 43 hits, 45 RBIs. Has he hit a solo home run this year?

Comments
Re: Expected Win Totals
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: May 20, 2003 12:15 AM | YBS Fan ]

Well, as you can see, my BayStars have been beaten up by pretty much everybody. They're the only team below .500. And they just won their first one run game this season last week against the Giants, while being blown out quite a bit.

Removing Yokohama from the standings, this is how it would be:

Games W L T W% RS RA
Hanshin 33 19 13 1 .594 174 141
Hiroshima 29 15 14 0 .517 120 147
Chunichi 35 17 18 0 .486 150 90
Yakult 33 15 18 0 .455 190 150
Kyojin 32 14 17 1 .452 163 169

Scores are something I have in my database, so I subtracted the scores against Yokohama for each team as well. But it looks like my hypothisis that Yokohama is the cause of Chunichi's and Hiroshima's annomolies doesn't hold water.

So, let's look at the breakdown of scores for Chunichi, which is the farthest out of wack:

Chunichi as home team:
+------+-------+------+--------+------+------+------+------+
| Vs. | Games | Wins | Losses | Ties | W% | RS | RA |
+------+-------+------+--------+------+------+------+------+
| HC | 5 | 1 | 4 | 0 | 0.20 | 14 | 28 |
| HT | 6 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0.67 | 36 | 28 |
| YBS | 6 | 3 | 3 | 0 | 0.50 | 31 | 31 |
| YG | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0.33 | 9 | 14 |
| YS | 6 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0.67 | 35 | 29 |
+------+-------+------+--------+------+------+------+------+

Chunichi as away team:
+------+-------+------+--------+------+------+------+------+
| Vs. | Games | Wins | Losses | Ties | W% | RS | RA |
+------+-------+------+--------+------+------+------+------+
| HC | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0.00 | 6 | 10 |
| HT | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0.67 | 9 | 9 |
| YBS | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1.00 | 10 | 6 |
| YG | 6 | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0.67 | 32 | 43 |
| YS | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0.33 | 9 | 29 |
+------+-------+------+--------+------+------+------+------+

Chunichi is 5 and 4 against Yakult while being outscored 44 to 58. Similarly, they've got a winning record of 5 and 4 against the Giants while being outscored 41 to 57. Looking at Chunichi's game results, I see that they lost 0-11 to the Giants on March 29, then won a one run game the next day. That'll cause such a discrepency.

Glancing through Hiroshima's scores, I see an 8-1 loss to Yakult on April 19, a 9-1 loss to them again on May 9, and a 12-2 loss to the Tigers on May 13. Those three losses account for most of the difference, I think.

This kind of playing with numbers is fun. But it's well past my bed time. Hope to see more ideas in the morning.

Good night.

Re: Expected Win Totals
[ Author: PLNara | Posted: May 20, 2003 1:02 AM | HT Fan ]

- Glancing through Hiroshima's scores, I see an 8-1 loss to Yakult on April 19, a 9-1 loss to them again on May 9

This helps explain Yakult's discrepency as well. I guess they must have a good record in blowouts but fare poorly in close games. Unreliable bullpen?

Also, Chunichi's runs (less Yokohama games) allowed column should be "190", rather than "90". That makes Chunichi and Yakult out of whack, exactly opposite to each other. Interesting that their records are very similiar.
Re: Expected Win Totals
[ Author: Guest: Jim Albright | Posted: May 20, 2003 4:58 AM ]

The formula to get expected winning percentage is the so-called Pythagorean Theorem (because it looks somewhat like the geometry equation of the same name), which is:

    runs scored squared divided by the sum of runs scored squared plus runs allowed squared

    Expressed algebraically:

    WT = RS2 / (RS2 + RA2)

Doing the math quickly and without using a spreadsheet, I get the following expectations for wins and losses, expressed to the tenth of a game:

Hanshin 27.9-14.1
Hiroshima 15.0-21.0
Kyojin 22.0-18.0
Chunichi 17.8-25.2
Yakult 24.9-17.1
Yokohoma 13.9-27.1

Blowouts, especially in a small portion of a season, can throw off the accuracy of this empirical formula. Also, pure chance has a much greater impact with smaller sample sizes such as this.

Jim Albright

Re: Expected Win Totals
[ Author: PLNara | Posted: May 21, 2003 10:43 PM | HT Fan ]

Thanks for the insights, Jim. I kind of had you in mind when I posted the questions. I didn't know that formula.

You're right about the small sample size throwing off the results. I think the fact that each team plays all it's games against only five other teams has an effect as well.

Still, it's interesting. Hanshin, Yokohama, and Kyojin's expected totals are pretty close.
Re: Expected Win Totals
[ Author: Guest: Jim Albright | Posted: May 21, 2003 11:59 PM ]

I know or can find almost all of Bill James' formulas, since I own all his books, save one (which reprises the others) which were not self-published. You might guess that I'm rather familiar with James' work if you read my stuff. Jim Allen's work in this regard with Japanese data has also been informative. I'm glad to help use the insights those analyses generate to help look at Japanese ball.

On the specific topic at hand, I would expect over the season that everybody will wind up within say five wins of expectation. In rare cases a few may miss, mostly due to a) luck in one-run games, and 2) blowouts not evening out like they should.

Finally, I know James had a method for predicting World Series winners. I am thinking of visiting that one at the end of the season. However, I suspect that the different style of ball in Japan probably merits a recalculation of the points assigned to various categories. Has anyone happened to play with this formula before or have ideas on how to arrive at the point totals for various aspects (more HR, more shutouts, etc.)?

Jim Albright
About

This is a site about Pro Yakyu (Japanese Baseball), not about who the next player to go over to MLB is. It's a community of Pro Yakyu fans who have come together to share their knowledge and opinions with the world. It's a place to follow teams and individuals playing baseball in Japan (and Asia), and to learn about Japanese (and Asian) culture through baseball.

It is my sincere hope that once you learn a bit about what we're about here that you will join the community of contributors.

Michael Westbay
(aka westbaystars)
Founder

Search for Pro Yakyu news and information
Copyright (c) 1995-2024 JapaneseBaseball.com.
This work is licensed under a Creative Commons License.
Some rights reserved.