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Fatal Flaw with Japanese Fire Ballers?

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Fatal Flaw with Japanese Fire Ballers?
News just came out that Hirotoshi Ishii is going to be out for the entire 2007 season rehabbing his shoulder. His "rocket boy" teammate Ryota Igarashi needed Tommy John surgery after destroying his arm. Kyuji Fujikawa, who is one of the fastest Japanese pitchers around right now, had an elbow injury at the end of the season. Other Japanese fire ballers (156-159 km/h territory) in recent history were Hideki Irabu and Kazuo Yamaguchi, and both those guys had somewhat irregular descents from stardom.

Is this a coincidence or is there something very wrong with Japanese training for these types of pitchers? Yakult's bullpen would be in complete shambles if it weren't for the signings of Takatsu and Kida last year.
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Re: Fatal Flaw with Japanese Fire Ballers?
[ Author: Guest: Jim Albright | Posted: Jan 20, 2007 10:44 AM ]

I don't know about the training these days, but I know in the past the idea was that pitchers should throw hard every day, and it seems clear many pitchers paid the price for that. Even today, there is a tendency to ride an ace awfully hard. Look at Matsuzaka - he averaged over 140 pitches per start one of the past two years and 135 or 136 per start in the other. If the manager used his pitchers that way and wanted the same pitchers to throw hard every day, I'd say it would be no surprise that the team would find itself with a lot of arm injuries in short order.

Jim Albright
Re: Fatal Flaw with Japanese Fire Ballers?
[ Author: Something Lions | Posted: Jan 21, 2007 11:12 PM | SL Fan ]

Yeah, but Japanese starters typically only pitch about once a week instead of every fifth day like in North America, so that more or less covers the number of pitches per game. There's no medical proof that the 100 pitch count has any scientific value, the figure varies according to the pitcher and other varying factors (but maybe the limit averages to be about 100, I could see that). And we haven't discussed the difference between Japanese and American training camps, as well as off day routines between starts. Lots of uncertain factors in there.
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