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Tuffy gets puffy
I just went to a convenience store and saw the weekly tabloids on the stand and decided to take a look inside Shukan Gendai (to see Mika Kano's racy pics, but I digress). I was shocked to see an explosive, tell-all interview with Tuffy Rhodes inside.

He talks about his departure from the Giants, Hara, Nabetsune, Horiuchi, Kiyo, and he even talks about the infamous incident that took place last season where he supposedly attacked a Giants coach named Hirota.

First of all, he says that the Giants are a team of superstars and egos and that they don't socialize much together, and that leads to a team of individuals. He says that the Giants could learn a thing or two from watching the Japanese team that just won the WBC.

He says that he wanted to play again this season with the Giants, but he heard from his agent that the Giants had no plans to renew his contract. He said that after he heard that he slumped in his sofa and just sat there in a state of shock.

He says that he respects and likes Horiuchi, but Horiuchi didn't have the power to control his egomaniac players. He says that Horiuchi just couldn't bring the whole team together.

Rhodes says that new (old) manager Hara is a "tengu (in Japanese)." It basically means that Hara is full of himself. He believes Hara gave the press all kinds of illogical reasons for letting Rhodes go after he took over as manager.

He says that Nabetsune hardly ever shows his face around the team and that all the players call him "Nabetsune" behind his back.

He talks about the incident that took place last April (or May) in which he supposedly attacked an old Giants coach named Hirota. He says that the Giants didn't tell the truth about the whole matter.

He says that what happened was this: After the Giants lost to the Swallows in a game in which Alex Ramirez hit the game-winning double over the head of Rhodes in the 9th inning of a 0-0 game, Hirota blasted him in front of the team in the post-game meeting. Hirota blamed Rhodes for the loss for not hustling after the ball. Rhodes says that he accepted the blame and apologized and then tried to get up and leave at which point Hirota grabbed Rhodes by the neck. Rhodes says that he told Hirota in Japanese, "Don't touch me," but Hirota held onto him by his necklace. Rhodes says that he had no choice but to grab Hirota by his neck also. That's when Kiyohara stepped in and separated the two.

In the press, the Giants made it seem like it was Rhodes who attacked Hirota without provocation, but Rhodes says that that wasn't the case. He finishes by saying, "Kiyo-san knows the truth because he was right there."

He finishes the interview by talking about Kiyohara. He says that Kiyo was his best friend on the team and that they talk often on the phone, but he goes on to say that the Giants would just go their separate ways after a game. Rhodes says that he only went out to dinner with Kiyo, Yoshinobu, Motoki, etc., but that was it and it didn't happen often.

He says that although he's friends with Kiyo, it doesn't compare with his friendship with Nori Nakamura. He says that Nori and him still talk often and that Nori's like family to him since they grew as ballplayers together on the Buffs. Rhodes says that the Buffaloes' players would often go out together after a game. He says that although they didn't win much, it was more enjoyable for him.

In the interview, Rhodes also blasted the Giants for not allowing him to ride his motorbike-not even in his spare time. He rode his bike to games when he was with the Buffaloes, but the Giants forbade him from riding it at all during his 2 years with the Giants. Rhodes says that riding frees his mind and helps him relax.

He also says that the Giants forced him to play hurt and that when he had his shoulder operated on, he was forced to pay the $25,000 surgery fee himself since he had it checked out and operated on in the U.S.

What Rhodes fails to acknowledge is that it was him who signed with the Giants. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced him to sign with them. Sure, Kintetsu only offered him a 1-year contract while the Giants offered him a 2-year deal, but it sounds like it wasn't worth it.

Next to the interview, there's a picture of Rhodes' new home that he just built in Houston. He says that he was able to buy it with the money he made with the Giants, so maybe his time with the Giants was worth the headaches.

It's painfully obvious, though, that he is still bitter at the Giants for letting him go. Tuffy, you had a great career in Japan. Don't go burning bridges or holding grudges because it'll only taint all the goodwill and respect that you built up and earned during the 10 years

At the end of the article, it says that he is now dating a Japanese woman named Saori. It says that he got divorced in 2001 and he's been seeing her since then.
Comments
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 4, 2006 2:48 AM | CLM Fan ]

Thanks for posting this. I agree that Tuffy shouldn't turn into Jose Canseco or anything, but it's interesting to hear the full story on the Giants and the Hirota situation. I can't even see how that little guy could even reach Tuffy's neck.

As far as the motorcycle thing goes, I'd have to side with the Giants. There have been cases of athletes in the US getting into motorcycle accidents in the offseason and being out for a long time. In some cases, they never played the same ever again.

I don't really think the Giants are much of a team of superstars anymore. If they still act egotistical, they need to check themselves. That finish last year should've humbled the hell out of them. I think Tuffy was joining the team at the height of their egotism. It was like they had all this homerun power, and they thought the pennant should just be handed to them for that reason. It didn't turn out that way, and I think that was the best thing for Japanese baseball and the Giants organization.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest: John Ruz | Posted: Apr 4, 2006 5:16 PM ]

Tuffy--and one of the sweetest swings in baseball--will definitely be missed. I had already missed him, though, since of course there was no way I could have supported him as a member of the Kyojin. Like the Yankees, in the US, Kyojin players--foreign or Japanese--have always been held to higher standards. Tuffy knew that before signing with them, but it's a shame that one of the "good gaijin" in Japan had to leave the way he did.
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[ Author: Guest: Kenny | Posted: Apr 4, 2006 6:57 PM ]

BigManZam, that's a great point that you made about athletes riding motorcycles and getting hurt as a result. Jay Williams of the Bulls, Kellen Winslow II of the Browns, and Jeff Kent (then with the SF Giants) all got hurt in varying degrees when they rode bikes without their respective teams' permission. Jeff Kent even went so far to make up a story about how he hurt himself washing his truck even though there were witness there who saw him fall off his bike when he was trying to pop wheelies.

I still can't believe that the Lakers allow the best player in the NBA, Kobe Bryant, to ride his motorcycle to practices and games.

I'm with you John-I always liked Tuffy and rooted for him when he was with the Buffaloes, but after he went to the Giants it became really hard to root for him. Let's hope that the Giants self-destruct again this year.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Apr 5, 2006 7:24 AM ]

Why shouldn't players be able to ride their motorcycles? Do their contracts specifically prohibit them to do so? I doubt it. Should we not allow them to drive cars then either? Off the top of my head, recent star athletes Darrell Russell, Drazen Petrovic, Malik Sealy and Bobby Phills all died in car accidents. Manute Bol almost died is a recent wreck, though he was retired by then. Heck, Ken Macha, farmer Chunichi Dragon and current Oakland A's manager was on the Californa Angel's bus when they overturned in the early 1990's. Should they ban bus rides too? I don't dispute that there is more risk riding a motorcycle than most other forms of transportation, I am not even arguing that. I just don't think teams or any employers should be able to dictate how someone gets to and from work. They certainly have no right to tell them what to do in their off time. Yes, the teams often have big money invested in these players. I doubt NBC tells Jay Leno to stay of motorcycles, and they certainly have more invested in him than any NPB team does in any player. Tuffy proved to be a safe motorcyclist (at least I never heard of any accidents). Kip Gross formerly of Nippon Ham and even Andy Sheets traveled Japan via cycle. If a team wants to put such language in their contracts prohibiting players from riding motorcycles, or give Non-Guaranteed deals, great. If the player agrees, then that's that. If not, the player should be free to do what he wants.
All that said, I do beleive any player who stands to make million and gets on a motorcycle is foolish.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 5, 2006 8:06 AM | CLM Fan ]

If Leno breaks his leg, arm, or sprains an ankle, he can still do his show. I think the bottom line is that there is no forgiveness to one's body in a motorcycle accident. Uehara got in a car accident, but he wasn't hurt. Cars, especially the high end cars these baseball stars buy, have great safety ratings. The only thing keeping an athelete's face from the cement in a motorcycle accident is air.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest: Kenny | Posted: Apr 5, 2006 5:36 PM ]

Yes, these players contracts specifically state that they are not allowed to ride motorcycles. The Browns could've terminated Winslow's contract because of he got hurt riding a bike-something that he was forbidden to do.

The players that you mentioned did die in car accidents, but let's not lose sight of the fact that they were speeding recklessly when they got into their accidents. Petrovic was speeding on the autobahn in Germany when he got into an accident and Phils died when he was racing his teammate David Wesley after practice on a 2-lane road.

Ken Macha was indeed on that Angels' bus that overturned in New Jersey in 1992, but so was Bobby Rose, who got hurt in that accident. Rose was about to establish himself in the big leagues that year but that accident prevented him from showing the Angels what he could do. He came to Japan the next season and the rest is history.

I know that you're trying to make a point, but let's no go overboard with these accident stories though. I tend to agree with the teams on this one. If I was a player and a team was paying me $6 million a year like Rhodes, then I certainly wouldn't complain about something like that. For that much money, they could prohibit me from chewing gum and I'd still happily comply.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 4, 2006 6:58 PM | HAN Fan ]

A monster ego with other monster egos. If he had not been so vain as to expect his team (Kintetsu) to do what he wanted he would probably have still been playing baseball in Japan.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest: JohnRuz | Posted: Apr 6, 2006 12:30 PM ]

To be fair to Tuffy, it must have been pretty insulting to him that after all those faithful and consistent years in Japan, the Buffs still only offered him a one-year contract. I still don't think he went to the Giants so much for the money as for the security and respect.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 6, 2006 12:55 PM | HAN Fan ]

Given that Kintetsu were in financial trouble and that they had never offered a two year contract to a gaijin player before he did expect too much.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 6, 2006 5:08 PM | HT Fan ]

And given that owners always cry poor at salary negotiation time, and given the fact that not so many gaijin players had contributed as much to the Buffs (or any other club for that matter) as Rhodes, surely you've got to agree that maybe his expectations were not totally outrageous either.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 7, 2006 4:34 PM | HAN Fan ]

Actually they were too much. Kintetsu didn't last much longer in the baseball world and as you will remember sold the team in 2004. Whilst you are right about a lot of owners crying poor in this case it was genuine.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 7, 2006 7:11 PM | HT Fan ]

Yes of course, but using your logic, any extra demand would have been too much for the cash-strapped Buffaloes. Rhodes couldn't have been expected to know that this time the owners really were in dire straits.

I reiterate: his request for a two-year deal was not extraordinarily excessive. The salary component is another issue, but he could reasonably have expected a two-year contract, gaijin or not.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 7, 2006 8:30 PM | HAN Fan ]

How so given that Kintetsu management had never given any gaijin a two year contract before? Furthermore, as an employee of Kintetsu he could be expected to have heard something of the financial troubles.
I think you are really commenting on an ideal situation with a forward thinking and sympathetic management. Kintetsu's management didn't fall into that category. Given the nature of the management his demand was excessive and this was shown by the management's willingness to let him go.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 7, 2006 10:17 PM | HT Fan ]

I'm sorry Christopher, but all I'm saying is that his expectation was not unreasonable considering his distinguished career at the club.

You say no gaijin had received a two year contract. True. But how many gaijin have tied Oh's home run record? How many gaijin have enough playing time to be classified as a Japanese player for the purposes of the quota? The guy did a lot of things for the first time; why not also the first gaijin to receive a two-year contract from the Buffaloes?

I think you're looking at the whole thing with the benefit of hindsight, saying he was way off base, and that he should have known exactly how far to go in the negotiations and when to back off. Sorry, things aren't so simple as that.

And I was waiting for you to bring up the red herring about knowing the extent of Kintetsu's troubles. For goodness sake, he's a ball player, not some financial guru. I've been hearing rumors about the company I work for for at least the past ten years - but it's apparently still going strong.

If Tuffy had spent all his time examining Kintetsu's balance sheet he probably wouldn't have been the great ball player he was.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 7, 2006 10:44 PM | HAN Fan ]

I will repeat myself - his expectation was unreasonable. The factors you mention in your second paragraph are irrelevant I am afraid. Kintetsu's management were not of the type to budge. They were traditional Japanese management, stubborn and inflexible. He would not be the first gaijin to receive a 2 year contract because they didn't award such things. He was an employee who was accepted because he did a good job but was deserving of no special treatment.
Kintetsu's troubles were no red herring (4 billion yen loses per year is serious) - they were real and very serious. Any aware employee would realise that things were difficult - its not rocket science.
No, Rhodes let his ego get in the way - if you recall his statements at the time you will see what I mean. He let his ego get in the way with the Giants as well. Greed and pride were his downfall and no matter what you may wish this is the sad truth. He demonstrates this by his interview which formed the start of this thread.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 7, 2006 11:05 PM | HT Fan ]

Ok, you're the management consultant - obviously you know what you're talking about.

But for the record, please allow me to repeat what I initially said:

"...maybe his expectations were not totally outrageous..."

I'll stick to that. Frankly whether the guy has an ego as big as ballpark is irrelevant. Maybe the demand for a two-year contract was wishful thinking. But it wasn't totally outrageous. It certainly wasn't greedy.

And please look up those words "totally" and "outrageous" if you don't know what they mean.

Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 8, 2006 11:02 AM | HAN Fan ]

In the real world of course the idea of a two year contract after years of excellent service is perfectly reasonable. However in Kintetsuland it was totally outrageous and unfortunately that's where Rhodes was.
The problem with a big ego (and it doesn't necessarily make a person unpleasant) is that it clouds judgement and doesn't let a person make an informed assessment based on their actual circumstances.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 8, 2006 1:39 PM | HT Fan ]

Of course it's perfectly reasonable - I'm glad you're now acknowledging that. But just because Kintetsu had a warped sense of Tuffy's value to the organization doesn't make them right.

And while it's oh so easy to claim now that they regarded Tuffy's position as outrageous, how would Tuffy had known that at the time unless they had told him? Do you have any quotes from Kintetsu officials to that effect? And even if they had had used that sort of language, a reasonable person might have concluded that this was simply a negotiating tactic.

All I'm saying that it wasn't outrageous from the perspective of a reasonable person - from Tuffy's point of view.

No Christopher, you can argue till you're blue in the face - you won't win this one.


Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 8, 2006 2:09 PM | HAN Fan ]

Yes Kintetsu officials were recorded at the time as saying just that. They said they only gave one year contracts and weren't going to change. For a person with no experience of Kintetsuland of course it is not outrageous to expect two years but for someone with Rhodes length of experience....
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 12:26 AM ]

On points, you win this one Mijow
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest: Tiger Tiger | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 5:28 AM ]

After reading the blogs on the Kintetsu / Rhodes ordeal, how is it that nobody brings up the fact that the Kintetsu Buffaloes will not offer a two year contract to a player because he is a foreigner. I think it falls along the same concept why Oh wouldn't pitch to Tuffy when he was bearing down on his record. I hate to bring up the "R" word, but that is the only reason why a two-year deal would be considered outrageous. Unfortunately for all those involved, Tuffy only became Japanese on the inside.

Tiger Tiger
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 6:38 AM | CLM Fan ]

People always bring up racism when it comes to not giving pitches to the 55 HR guys in 2001 and 2002. Let's not forget that those were big time steroid years in MLB, and I'm sure the Japanese higher ups were very uneasy about foreigners all of a sudden hitting homers like no tomorrow. Guys were hitting 70+ homeruns across the ocean, and I'm sure Oh(and many other OB) were disgusted by what they were seeing.

Oh was a Mickey Mantle body type and he crushed a ton of homeruns the old fashioned way. Tuffy was basically a 20-25 homerun hitter until that 2001 season. He had a surge in 1999 with 40 homers, but he reverted back to hitting 25 the next year. Then all of a sudden he hits 55? Don't blame Oh for thinking something's fishy about that. For most of Oh's career, he was hitting 40-50 homers a season. If anyone knows what true homerun hitting is, it'll be him. I don't think it's a case of racism at all.

I don't even need to explain Alex Cabrera. That guy is Jose Canseco Jr.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 9:00 AM | HAN Fan ]

An Asahi Shimbun article for 6th April comments on an earlier attempt to reach this record and summarizes Bob Whiting's analysis on why Randy Bass was not allowed to break Oh's record.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 6:23 PM | HT Fan ]

They said they only gave one year contracts and weren't going to change.

A negotiating tactic perhaps? Do really believe everything you see in the press?

...but for someone with Rhodes length of experience...

Yeah right, as a slugging outfielder. Maybe you should have offered to manage the negotiations Christopher. Tuffy could have used someone with your prescience. I'm sure you would have wrangled an excellent deal for him.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 8:36 PM | HAN Fan ]

Not with Kintetsu. As I mentioned before they were stubborn and inflexible. If they said something like that you can be sure that they meant it. And yes it is cutting off your nose to spite your face but this is exactly what old fashioned Japanese management would do. Remember this is the country where it's still OK to work yourself to death.
I don't understand why you seem to regard Rhodes as a bit of a fool. Whatever his faults I do not think he was stupid. He obviously had enough sense to save money and spend it wisely.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 9:45 PM | HT Fan ]

I don't understand why you seem to regard Rhodes as a bit of a fool

Now, did I say that? Now you're putting words in my mouth. You've been pushing this further away from the point that I initially made, and that is you exaggerated the meaning of a word. And you did. You've tried to justify your slip by claiming that the word somehow means something other than its accepted meaning in the strange world of the Kintetsu.

You're the one who doesn't appear to have much time for Tuffy Rhodes. You said his big ego didn't allow him to "make an informed assessment based on (his) actual circumstances." Now you're saying he really did have enough sense to look after himself. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Apr 10, 2006 10:35 PM ]

"I don't understand why you seem to regard Rhodes as a bit of a fool."

I dont think he`s indicating Tuffy is the fool here Christopher????

Get it!?!?!
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 11, 2006 2:03 AM | CLM Fan ]

I want all of you guys to wrap up this little discussion soon. It's getting redundant.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 11, 2006 7:40 AM | HAN Fan ]

Simply Mijow - your comment "Yeah as a slugging outfielder, right" does contain the subtext that he is not so bright. Pride or ego does not indicate a lack of intelligence but does cloud judgement and cause wrong assessments to be made which is what happened in the case of Tuffy Rhodes.
Guest - if you really cannot make any sensible contribution to this discussion why not stay out of it.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Apr 11, 2006 7:49 AM | HT Fan ]

Well, I just think we should heed the advice and wind up this little discussion. It was starting to get a little tedious anyway.
Re: Tuffy gets puffy
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Apr 11, 2006 8:31 AM | HAN Fan ]

Agreed
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