Annual Doomsday Road Trip
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Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: holygoat | Posted: Aug 4, 2005 11:59 AM
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Yeah, the Dragons have really turned it on. I was really hoping to extend the lead to 8 or 9 games before the Road Trip Of Doom, but since they did just the opposite, I'm with you on pulling for a Chunichi tank job. 
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: badteacher | Posted: Aug 4, 2005 1:50 PM
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Good luck on your trip. I hope your behind the BayStars when it's all over.
Actually, I do feel for the Tigers. We got the weird road schedule at the start of inter-league play which kinda hosed us.
I don't get why they don't give the Tigers a couple of back to back series in Osaka to at least let them get a little bit of rhythm in their "home park." I don't ever see the Giants getting these death trips.
Please go 0 for August!
Actually, I do feel for the Tigers. We got the weird road schedule at the start of inter-league play which kinda hosed us.
I don't get why they don't give the Tigers a couple of back to back series in Osaka to at least let them get a little bit of rhythm in their "home park." I don't ever see the Giants getting these death trips.
Please go 0 for August!
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 4, 2005 5:42 PM
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The Chunichi Dragons have really heated up of late, Hanshin has cooled down, and as the Road of Doom is coming with the Japanese High School Baseball Championships taking place at Koshien.
Will Hanshin survive in my opinion? I think Hanshin will survive by a little bit, it's will probably be very close though now.
The Dragons have lost their last 2 games, but are 7 and 2 (1 tie) in there last 10 games. They are on the rise lately after winning 11 games in a row.
Central League Standings - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
Will Hanshin survive in my opinion? I think Hanshin will survive by a little bit, it's will probably be very close though now.
The Dragons have lost their last 2 games, but are 7 and 2 (1 tie) in there last 10 games. They are on the rise lately after winning 11 games in a row.
Central League Standings - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 5, 2005 12:17 AM
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C'mon, you guys are just so pessimistic. OK, so they lose four on the trot, but Imaoka hits a grannie tonight for a dramatic 6-2 win over the BayStars. The sparkle is still there.
At the beginning of the season we had people moaning about how Igawa was washed up, no longer the ace, etc. Yet he's currently 10 and 4 with a 3.82 ERA. And now the team loses a handful of games and they've suddenly lost the pennant race. I mean, really.
And this so called Road Trip of Death is not as bad as it used to be. Sure, they don't come back to Koshien until August 26, but remember, they play the BayStars in front of a home crowd at Osaka Dome August 16-18, which makes it only 11 consecutive games on the road. What's so bad about that?
At the beginning of the season we had people moaning about how Igawa was washed up, no longer the ace, etc. Yet he's currently 10 and 4 with a 3.82 ERA. And now the team loses a handful of games and they've suddenly lost the pennant race. I mean, really.
And this so called Road Trip of Death is not as bad as it used to be. Sure, they don't come back to Koshien until August 26, but remember, they play the BayStars in front of a home crowd at Osaka Dome August 16-18, which makes it only 11 consecutive games on the road. What's so bad about that?
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 5, 2005 2:09 AM
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"Whats so bad about that?"
Our poor performance every year during August for a start! Was it 1992 with the 3 game lead and then going on to lose 12 on the August road trip? Even in the pennant winning 2003 season, they were lousy in August, and as far as I'm concerned "theres no place like home" - and the Osaka Dome sure isn't home! We've clearly outnumbered home fans at most away games (apart from maybe the Tokyo Dome) this season anyway, so what's the Osaka Dome?
I'm not a total pessimist, but just making my assessment based on the Tigers' history during August. I'm still banking on them winning it all!
Just interested in hearing from other Torakichi!
Our poor performance every year during August for a start! Was it 1992 with the 3 game lead and then going on to lose 12 on the August road trip? Even in the pennant winning 2003 season, they were lousy in August, and as far as I'm concerned "theres no place like home" - and the Osaka Dome sure isn't home! We've clearly outnumbered home fans at most away games (apart from maybe the Tokyo Dome) this season anyway, so what's the Osaka Dome?
I'm not a total pessimist, but just making my assessment based on the Tigers' history during August. I'm still banking on them winning it all!
Just interested in hearing from other Torakichi!
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 5, 2005 9:45 AM
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I know what you're saying, but I'm a perpetual optimist. They've got to break the mold sometime.
My point about Osaka Dome is that apart from the home crowd, they also get to sleep in their own beds, eat at home, etc., which must count for something. They've been playing more games at Osaka Dome over the last few years, too, so it's hardly an unfamiliar place. Certainly their opponents have little playing time there.
And anyway, even though Tigers fans do outnumber home fans at most grounds, clearly they overwhelmingly outnumber their opponents when they're in Kansai.
My point about Osaka Dome is that apart from the home crowd, they also get to sleep in their own beds, eat at home, etc., which must count for something. They've been playing more games at Osaka Dome over the last few years, too, so it's hardly an unfamiliar place. Certainly their opponents have little playing time there.
And anyway, even though Tigers fans do outnumber home fans at most grounds, clearly they overwhelmingly outnumber their opponents when they're in Kansai.
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: holygoat | Posted: Aug 5, 2005 9:04 AM
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- C'mon, you guys are just so pessimistic. OK, so they lose four on the trot, but Imaoka hits a grannie tonight for a dramatic 6-2 win over the BayStars. The sparkle is still there.
Well, I don't really have much room to talk as I've only been following the team for a couple of years now, thanks to the Internet. (I really wish the NPB would have something similar to mlb.tv for us overseas folks.) You could probably attribute my pessimism to the fact that the team is called the "Tigers" and I've lived in Detroit my entire civilian life.
Go TIGERS!
Well, I don't really have much room to talk as I've only been following the team for a couple of years now, thanks to the Internet. (I really wish the NPB would have something similar to mlb.tv for us overseas folks.) You could probably attribute my pessimism to the fact that the team is called the "Tigers" and I've lived in Detroit my entire civilian life.
Go TIGERS!
Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 6, 2005 5:49 AM
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The Dragons won again in dramatic fashion, a grand slam by Kosuke Fukudome off BayStars closer Marc Kroon. Here is the full story [Nikkan Sports - in Japanese] and box score [Borisov's Pro Yakyu - in English].
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 6, 2005 9:36 PM
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- The Dragons won again in dramatic fashion...
And the Tigers matched this by devouring Hiroshima tonight 13-2, belting out 19 hits in the process.
And the Tigers matched this by devouring Hiroshima tonight 13-2, belting out 19 hits in the process.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 7, 2005 1:30 PM
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Both Hanshin and Chunichi are playing an interesting race, Hanshin beat the Carp 13-2 last night (August 6). Andy Sheets went 5-5 with 3 runs, a home run, 4 RBI's, and 3 singles to lead the way in that game. [Full Story - Japan Ball] [Box Score - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
Chunichi won last night also, 8-5, as Tyrone Woods hit 3 home runs and drove in 5. The Dragons rallied from a three run deficit to win on a Takeo Kawamura single.
[Box Score]
Chunichi won last night also, 8-5, as Tyrone Woods hit 3 home runs and drove in 5. The Dragons rallied from a three run deficit to win on a Takeo Kawamura single.
[Box Score]
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 7, 2005 4:40 PM
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And the two teams meet midweek. Should be an interesting series. Any predictions?
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 7, 2005 5:38 PM
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- Any predictions?
It will probably be a close series in my opinion. I think a series win or series sweep for Hanshin would be just what they need to spark them though.
I think Hanshin can seriously win 2 of 3 in the series against Chunichi. It will be a close and interesting series nontheless in my opinion. If Hanshin manages to take a series win again, like I said, it could be the spark they need.
It will probably be a close series in my opinion. I think a series win or series sweep for Hanshin would be just what they need to spark them though.
I think Hanshin can seriously win 2 of 3 in the series against Chunichi. It will be a close and interesting series nontheless in my opinion. If Hanshin manages to take a series win again, like I said, it could be the spark they need.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 8, 2005 12:26 AM
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Tigers will take just one game of the series at best, and that's being optimistic. Their form at Nagoya Dome over the last several years has simply been woeful.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 8, 2005 6:16 PM
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The Tigers took two of the last series at Nagoya Dome and were very accomplished. Whether they can repeat that this time is an interesting question.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 12:26 AM
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Gee, you don't say Christopher!? Which Tigers fan wouldn't remember that last series? But my concern is the 11 straight losses prior to that at the Nagoya Dome and our historically woeful record there.
Off the fence Chrissy-boy, what's your prediction for the upcoming series?
Any other Tigers fans who want to make a prediction regarding what could be a season defining series? I'm predicting Hanshin to go 1 and 2.
Off the fence Chrissy-boy, what's your prediction for the upcoming series?
Any other Tigers fans who want to make a prediction regarding what could be a season defining series? I'm predicting Hanshin to go 1 and 2.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 8:15 AM
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An important series, but maybe not season defining. The Tigers' real problem is not the record at Nagoya but Fukuhara. The rest of the team do not respond to him, even when he pitches superbly, and with the rotation schedule, he is due to pitch against the Dragons.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 12:19 AM
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So a guy who pitches once a week is the problem, and not the fact that Hanshin choke at the Nagoya Dome! Fukuhara is the reason for losing 11 straight?
That would have to be one of the most outlandish observations I've ever heard. Ahhhh ...hmmm ... how to be diplomatic? You have a very unique opinion, Christopher.
That would have to be one of the most outlandish observations I've ever heard. Ahhhh ...hmmm ... how to be diplomatic? You have a very unique opinion, Christopher.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 9:31 AM
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Choking at Nagoya Dome is no longer an issue. The Tigers proved they could win in the last series there. This showed that losing at Nagoya doesn't have to happen. The issues now come down to their pitchers and whether they can pitch well. Igawa got into a funk and blew a 6 run lead last night.
Tonight Fukuhara is due to pitch and is not having a good season. The Tigers' offense does not perform when he is pitching, even when he pitches superbly (against the Carp and Swallows for example). If the offense fails again then it will be at a vital time in the pennant race and further boost the Dragons' momentum.
The problem now is not about what happened in the past. You need to think more about the issues facing Tigers at present as they are more important than how many games have been lost in the past.
Tonight Fukuhara is due to pitch and is not having a good season. The Tigers' offense does not perform when he is pitching, even when he pitches superbly (against the Carp and Swallows for example). If the offense fails again then it will be at a vital time in the pennant race and further boost the Dragons' momentum.
The problem now is not about what happened in the past. You need to think more about the issues facing Tigers at present as they are more important than how many games have been lost in the past.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 11, 2005 12:45 AM
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If you've followed professional sports for as long as I have, you soon realize history is a hard thing to beat.
You've obviously never played sport if you don't understand the underlying psychology to the game, and yes, that means overcoming bogey teams and traditional bad head to head records, which we have had with the Dragons for years. Even when the Tigers won the Central League two seasons ago, Chunichi had the wood on us.
You've obviously never played sport if you don't understand the underlying psychology to the game, and yes, that means overcoming bogey teams and traditional bad head to head records, which we have had with the Dragons for years. Even when the Tigers won the Central League two seasons ago, Chunichi had the wood on us.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 11, 2005 9:07 AM
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Professional sports is full of teams overcoming the psychology to win. Too often psychology is used as an excuse for lazy performances. A good team generates its own history and works towards winning. Look at the Dragons' record this season against all the other Central League teams. That is overcoming psychology, and this is what the Tigers should be aiming to do. At the moment though the history is less important than the current events. In both matches the Tigers started well and continued well ignoring history. Igawa losing control was the reason Tigers lost the first match, not history.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 12, 2005 12:57 AM
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So why do professional sporting teams employ team psychologists? According to your unique perspective, they are unnecessary.
Choking down the stretch? Heard of that phrase? Teams with big names but can't come through. I'm assuming youk're very young, so I suggest you read the respective histories of the BoSox, the Cubs, Hanshin, and the Buffalo Bills to name a few. A "culture of losing" is evident and very real in many big clubs, and it's a huge psychological hurdle to overcome.
Choking down the stretch? Heard of that phrase? Teams with big names but can't come through. I'm assuming youk're very young, so I suggest you read the respective histories of the BoSox, the Cubs, Hanshin, and the Buffalo Bills to name a few. A "culture of losing" is evident and very real in many big clubs, and it's a huge psychological hurdle to overcome.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 12, 2005 10:39 AM
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- So why do professional sporting teams employ team psychologists? According to your unique perspective, they are unnecessary
How so? I made no comments about sports psychologists being unnecessary. My comments were about teams overcoming the psychology to win. How they do that may well involve psychologists, it may not. Overcoming the psychology is the mark of a true champion - choking is not. And you cannot assume that because a team has big names it will win or do well.
I notice from your examples that you are using a very narrow base for your analysis. If you were to include examples like rugby union, soccer, or cricket you would find more examples of teams refusing to accept the psychology than those which accept it. As I indicated, a culture of losing is really a sign of laziness - the team cannot be bothered to make the effort to win.
Take a look at the wider world outside of baseball and American football. It is full of teams and sports people who refuse to accept history or psychology, for example your countryman (I'm assuming you are American) Lance Armstrong.
The winners are the ones who don't accept psychology as an excuse for poor performances. Last night the Tigers refused to accept psychology as an excuse and walked away with a fine series win.
How so? I made no comments about sports psychologists being unnecessary. My comments were about teams overcoming the psychology to win. How they do that may well involve psychologists, it may not. Overcoming the psychology is the mark of a true champion - choking is not. And you cannot assume that because a team has big names it will win or do well.
I notice from your examples that you are using a very narrow base for your analysis. If you were to include examples like rugby union, soccer, or cricket you would find more examples of teams refusing to accept the psychology than those which accept it. As I indicated, a culture of losing is really a sign of laziness - the team cannot be bothered to make the effort to win.
Take a look at the wider world outside of baseball and American football. It is full of teams and sports people who refuse to accept history or psychology, for example your countryman (I'm assuming you are American) Lance Armstrong.
The winners are the ones who don't accept psychology as an excuse for poor performances. Last night the Tigers refused to accept psychology as an excuse and walked away with a fine series win.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Someone in the know | Posted: Aug 12, 2005 2:32 PM
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Sorry Christopher, you're wrong. I'm a psychology graduate and studied some units of sports psychology. Our lecturer worked with professional sporting organizations. In his experience with athletes from various sports, many repeatedly stated that their past performances against other individuals and/or other teams affect focus, performance and motivation. This is a scientific fact, and I guess it's what the layman calls "choking."
It doesn't stop here though. The lucrative business of bookmaking uses historical data when setting prices of games.
To totally discount historical data when analysing a game shows disregard to a proven field of science.
It doesn't stop here though. The lucrative business of bookmaking uses historical data when setting prices of games.
To totally discount historical data when analysing a game shows disregard to a proven field of science.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 12, 2005 11:11 PM
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- In his experience with athletes from various sports, many repeatedly stated that their past performances against other individuals and/or other teams affect focus, performance and motivation.
However, many more players with the Red Sox and Cubs also said their respective curses weren't to blame for there failure to make it to the World Series. As for Boston, they finally made it over it all beating the Yankees, and are now a poor example - in the past they were a great example.
However, many more players with the Red Sox and Cubs also said their respective curses weren't to blame for there failure to make it to the World Series. As for Boston, they finally made it over it all beating the Yankees, and are now a poor example - in the past they were a great example.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 13, 2005 12:01 AM
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My point exactly! Anyone whos played sport knows what it's like to come up against that team you always just fall short to - haven't beaten in years!
People aren't machines - you just can't say "history is irrelevant, stop using it as an excuse!" As a player it's hard to ignore history!
I'm not American as it happens, I'm an Aussie and a lifelong Sydney Swans supporter, if that means anything to you. 50 years without winning a final (of any description) in Melbourne, and that includes some great teams who should have wiped the floor with the opposition.
As I stated before, history is a hard thing to beat!
People aren't machines - you just can't say "history is irrelevant, stop using it as an excuse!" As a player it's hard to ignore history!
I'm not American as it happens, I'm an Aussie and a lifelong Sydney Swans supporter, if that means anything to you. 50 years without winning a final (of any description) in Melbourne, and that includes some great teams who should have wiped the floor with the opposition.
As I stated before, history is a hard thing to beat!
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 13, 2005 10:40 AM
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"Someone in the know," I'm unsure of the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that choking exists or are you saying it is not laziness? A culture of losing is laziness, a refusal to make the mental effort. I was told this by Will Carling - one of the greatest English rugby captains who also was a motivational consultant. His approach was exactly the one I have described. Whilst history does have an influence, it should not be allowed to dominate, and should not be used as an excuse for poor performances or to hide from the immediate problems. Each new game is a new chance, and if you do look to history it is to learn what to do better next time.
Choking at Nagoya Dome became irrelevant once the Tigers won the first series there, and even more irrelevant when they won the second series.
My point is (and I know I am correct on this) that true champions overcome all obstacles, both pysical and psychological, and don't blame history for their mistakes.
Choking at Nagoya Dome became irrelevant once the Tigers won the first series there, and even more irrelevant when they won the second series.
My point is (and I know I am correct on this) that true champions overcome all obstacles, both pysical and psychological, and don't blame history for their mistakes.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: badteacher | Posted: Aug 8, 2005 6:37 AM
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My feeling is that the first game will be close and the winner of the first game will sweep the series. It's too close to call with these two teams. Chunichi has all the momentum, but Hanshin has an edge with their bullpen and pitching depth. It seems like if you crack open Kawakami, the other pitchers tend to sag.
That being said, I think the division winner is going to be decided by the team that can figure out how to beat the weak sister that's giving them fits. It seems like Hanshin dominates Hiroshima and struggles against Yomiuri, while Chunichi has the opposite problem.
That being said, I think the division winner is going to be decided by the team that can figure out how to beat the weak sister that's giving them fits. It seems like Hanshin dominates Hiroshima and struggles against Yomiuri, while Chunichi has the opposite problem.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: sanshintigers | Posted: Aug 8, 2005 11:23 PM
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As a Hanshin fan, it is tough to watch this recent collapse. Losing to Hiroshima!
Whenever Hanshin falls apart it's because they start swinging at everything. They look like golfers.
The true problem lies in their sad sack of a manager, Okada, who though he has handled a few things better this season, couldn't motivate anyone! The question is whether or not the Tigers can overcome this depressing persona and win. They have enough veterans to do it, but I have my doubts.
Tomorrow will be a huge game for their confidence, and I can only hope we don't see Kataoka pinch hitting at an important point in the game!
Whenever Hanshin falls apart it's because they start swinging at everything. They look like golfers.
The true problem lies in their sad sack of a manager, Okada, who though he has handled a few things better this season, couldn't motivate anyone! The question is whether or not the Tigers can overcome this depressing persona and win. They have enough veterans to do it, but I have my doubts.
Tomorrow will be a huge game for their confidence, and I can only hope we don't see Kataoka pinch hitting at an important point in the game!
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 7:58 AM
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The problem is with the players, not Okada. Last season I thought Okada was poor - this season he has been excellent. He has varied his pitching and his line up with intelligence and perception. A manager can only do so much and then it is up to the players. Kataoka replaced Imaoka at third last match (I mentioned earlier in the season that this might happen), but whether he will make an appearance tonight is not certain.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 11:57 AM
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And let's just get that in perspective. Kataoka only replaced Imaoka during that game because of soreness in Imaoka's leg.
Re: Dragons Closing Gap
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 8:27 AM
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My prediction is that if the Tigers win the first game tonight, they'll win the series 2-1. If they drop the first game, then the best they'll do is 1-2. The first game is vital.
Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 1
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 2:14 AM
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Well, the Dragons have pulled all the way back to a 1/2 game back with their 11-7 win over Hanshin.
Igawa's error in the 5th proved costly. After Hanshin got a 5-1 lead, Chunichi came back with a 9-run 5th inning. Igawa was charged with 8 unearned runs. [Full Story - Japan Ball]
Igawa's error in the 5th proved costly. After Hanshin got a 5-1 lead, Chunichi came back with a 9-run 5th inning. Igawa was charged with 8 unearned runs. [Full Story - Japan Ball]
Kataoka
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 9:36 AM
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Come on Sanshin! What is it about Kataoka, you don't like? His great .167 batting average or his lightning speed around the basepaths? Ha ha ha.
Kataoka - one of baseballs cruelest jokes!
Kataoka - one of baseballs cruelest jokes!
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 11:12 AM
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- What is it about Kataoka, you don't like?
He's a better third base than Imaoka, and now Imaoka's errors are very much a factor in match calculations. Kataoka has experience and match winning ability. Okada still thinks he's vital, and I think I would trust Okada's opinion in this case.
He's a better third base than Imaoka, and now Imaoka's errors are very much a factor in match calculations. Kataoka has experience and match winning ability. Okada still thinks he's vital, and I think I would trust Okada's opinion in this case.
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 12:09 AM
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LOL! Yeah and the fact that Imaoka's leading the Central League in RBIs isn't an important stat. So you would prefer Kataoka in the starting line up!? Give me a break!
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 8:39 AM
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Shift Imaoka back to second where he used to field and bring Kataoka in at third. Imaoka's fielding errors are a problem in tight games.
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Guest: Kataoka | Posted: Aug 11, 2005 12:48 AM
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Get real! Barring serious injuries, Kataoka will never be an every day player again! This is a joke right?
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: sanshintigers | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 11:29 AM
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Haha! I didn't realize he was up to .167! Way to go! A few more hits and he'll pass Kiyohara!
On that note, I'd love to see the two of them have a race around the bases, but who has an entire day to waste?
On that note, I'd love to see the two of them have a race around the bases, but who has an entire day to waste?
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 1:21 PM
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Kataoka's speed this season is quite reasonable. I think you may be judging him on last season when he had a thigh injury. As I said before, Okada thinks he is vital and I would trust Okada's judgement here.
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 12:21 AM
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Ha! How many games do you go to? Even in the gaiya, his speed is a running joke!
Re: Kataoka
[ Author: Guest: Gern Blanston | Posted: Aug 15, 2005 3:34 PM
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Real torakichi support their team and the players. Kataoka was an instrumental part of the 2003 champion team, and he still has a lot to offer. Granted, he is not the best pinch hitter. What he needs is more playing time to get into the groove again.
Anyway, the negative comments above do not serve any purpose and indeed show a lack of respect for the Hanshin Tigers.
Anyway, the negative comments above do not serve any purpose and indeed show a lack of respect for the Hanshin Tigers.
Fan Loyalty
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 17, 2005 12:27 AM
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- Real torakichi support their team and the players
I assume youre taking at aim at me. I do actually support them and, in fact, never miss a game whether it be on TV or at the ball park. I spend a great deal of time and money watching their games every year, regularly travelling to watch live games from Hiroshima to Tokyo.
Yeah, sure I've made the occassional cheap shot on this site out of frustration. Hey, I'm human and it's just me venting my frustration at the team! But never question my love of the team! I respect the commitment and ability of any sportsman who has played at an elite level, but they are never beyond criticism no matter what they've done in the past. They're big boys and get paid a lot of money, fan-flack is part of the game.
Although many opinions differ from fan to fan, I certainly would never question others' loyalty to the team. If I have offended you, Gern, then I apologize. But I certainly mean no disrepect to my beloved Tigers as a team.
While on the subject, there seems to be a lot of Tigers fans on this site. How often do people get to games?
The only other poster I've met on this site at games is SanshinTigers. Travelled up to Yokohama last month and met him at the series.
[by Editor: I you have to compare Hanshin and Met fans based on this post, let's start a new thread.]
I assume youre taking at aim at me. I do actually support them and, in fact, never miss a game whether it be on TV or at the ball park. I spend a great deal of time and money watching their games every year, regularly travelling to watch live games from Hiroshima to Tokyo.
Yeah, sure I've made the occassional cheap shot on this site out of frustration. Hey, I'm human and it's just me venting my frustration at the team! But never question my love of the team! I respect the commitment and ability of any sportsman who has played at an elite level, but they are never beyond criticism no matter what they've done in the past. They're big boys and get paid a lot of money, fan-flack is part of the game.
Although many opinions differ from fan to fan, I certainly would never question others' loyalty to the team. If I have offended you, Gern, then I apologize. But I certainly mean no disrepect to my beloved Tigers as a team.
While on the subject, there seems to be a lot of Tigers fans on this site. How often do people get to games?
The only other poster I've met on this site at games is SanshinTigers. Travelled up to Yokohama last month and met him at the series.
[by Editor: I you have to compare Hanshin and Met fans based on this post, let's start a new thread.]
Okada-kantoku
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 9:38 AM
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- Okada, who though he has handled a few things better this season, couldn't motivate anyone!
Please, Okada is fine as a manager. Hanshin right now is starting to fall apart. It isn't Okada's fault as a manager.
This year Okada has varied his managing decisions and improved Hanshin a lot, but he can only do so much. Someone has to step up and start hitting and pitching. Igawa needs to start pitching consistent for one.
- Igawa was clearly blown after Alex's home run making it 7-6, but was still left in the game! What a joke!
He was probably left in for his confidence. Okada had to have a reason to keep him in the game. Granted, his error was damaging, but his pitching until then was OK.
It seems you have a constant bashing of Okada here. I said he was the wrong person last year, but have changed my mind because of the way Okada has managed this year. A manager can only do so much, the team has to take some responibility for their play. Okada can't be blamed for all of the team's bad play, when it isn't completely his fault.
- Why does Igawa insist on throwing it away every time he faces the Dragons? 7-1 up and cruising.
Like I said earlier, I seriously am puzzled by Igawa this year. It's like an enigma. I don't know what is wrong with Igawa. It seems like there is some kind of mental problem Igawa is having.
- I seem to recall the Marines knocking something in double figures past Rakuten in one inning way back at the start of the season.
The Marines knocked in 11 runs in 1 inning against the Eagles in a 26-0 win. [Full Story - Japan Ball]
- Who do the Hanshin Tigers think they are, the Detroit Tigers [...]?"
Not to get off topic here, but Detroit has done pretty decent this year. They have one of their best pitching staffs they had in years.
Please, Okada is fine as a manager. Hanshin right now is starting to fall apart. It isn't Okada's fault as a manager.
This year Okada has varied his managing decisions and improved Hanshin a lot, but he can only do so much. Someone has to step up and start hitting and pitching. Igawa needs to start pitching consistent for one.
- Igawa was clearly blown after Alex's home run making it 7-6, but was still left in the game! What a joke!
He was probably left in for his confidence. Okada had to have a reason to keep him in the game. Granted, his error was damaging, but his pitching until then was OK.
It seems you have a constant bashing of Okada here. I said he was the wrong person last year, but have changed my mind because of the way Okada has managed this year. A manager can only do so much, the team has to take some responibility for their play. Okada can't be blamed for all of the team's bad play, when it isn't completely his fault.
- Why does Igawa insist on throwing it away every time he faces the Dragons? 7-1 up and cruising.
Like I said earlier, I seriously am puzzled by Igawa this year. It's like an enigma. I don't know what is wrong with Igawa. It seems like there is some kind of mental problem Igawa is having.
- I seem to recall the Marines knocking something in double figures past Rakuten in one inning way back at the start of the season.
The Marines knocked in 11 runs in 1 inning against the Eagles in a 26-0 win. [Full Story - Japan Ball]
- Who do the Hanshin Tigers think they are, the Detroit Tigers [...]?"
Not to get off topic here, but Detroit has done pretty decent this year. They have one of their best pitching staffs they had in years.
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: holygoat | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 12:47 PM
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Tigers will sweep the Dragons. You read it here first!
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: The Great Oni | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 6:42 PM
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Well, I don't know about a sweep, but after an inning and a half the Tigers are up 3-0. I say they'll take 2 out of 3 unless Sheets keeps hitting 2-run home runs - then I'm thinking sweep.
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 9:07 PM
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Shall I retract that after Chunichi scored 9 in the 5th inning? Chunichi up 10-7 after 5 1/2.
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 9:16 PM
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Why does Igawa insist on throwing it away every time he faces the Dragons? 7-1 up and cruising. The match is still there for the taking (but I doubt the Tigers will do that).
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 9:31 PM
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No, please leave it so all the Torakichi can blame me for jinxing the team. I was pulling out what was left of my hair watching that bottom of the 5th.
With all that said, I'm still thinking sweep, but....
With all that said, I'm still thinking sweep, but....
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: sanshintigers | Posted: Aug 9, 2005 11:13 PM
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I wanted to ask you guys, after watching that embarrassment of a fifth, what is the highest number of runs allowed in one inning this year? And fellow Tiger fans, do we have any chance anymore (without a miracle)?
Okada's a Bum
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 12:31 AM
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And what was that previous poster saying about Okada managing the pitchers well! Igawa was clearly blown after Alex's home run making it 7-6, but was still left in the game! What a joke!
What a bum Okada is! That 5th inning must have knocked the morale out of the Tigers. I'd be happy to see them win at least one in this series, but after tonight! We are gone!
What a bum Okada is! That 5th inning must have knocked the morale out of the Tigers. I'd be happy to see them win at least one in this series, but after tonight! We are gone!
Re: Okada's a Bum
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 9:44 AM
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Could you predict Igawa's collapse? Could you predict how many runs he would give away? I don't think so. Could you predict that Hashimoto would also fail? And he did.
No, the responsibility lies with the players this time. Okada can pull pitchers, but he also has to rely on them and trust them. Sometimes that trust can be misplaced or mistaken. Okada was let down by his best pitching team - what do you say about that? This season Okada has done very well - the Tigers are still leading (just) and still in with a very good chance of winning the pennant. Your comments betray a lack of analysis of the causes of last night's defeat.
No, the responsibility lies with the players this time. Okada can pull pitchers, but he also has to rely on them and trust them. Sometimes that trust can be misplaced or mistaken. Okada was let down by his best pitching team - what do you say about that? This season Okada has done very well - the Tigers are still leading (just) and still in with a very good chance of winning the pennant. Your comments betray a lack of analysis of the causes of last night's defeat.
Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 1
[ Author: MikkyT | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 6:19 AM
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I seem to recall the Marines knocking something in double figures past Rakuten in one inning way back at the start of the season. Maybe the biggest single-inning defecit isn't the Tigers dubious honour quite yet.
I saw a huge five errors given up by the Tigers last night, what happened there?
I saw a huge five errors given up by the Tigers last night, what happened there?
Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 1
[ Author: holygoat | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 2:03 AM
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Wow. A 9-run inning. Who do the Hanshin Tigers think they are, the Detroit Tigers [MLB.com]? So much for a sweep. Losses like this cannot be good for the confidence of the losing side. Ugh.
Re: Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 1
[ Author: himself | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 10:31 AM
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You gotta look at it positively. Your Tigers are still in first place, although by a slim margin. Anything can happen.
Re: Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 1
[ Author: sanshintigers | Posted: Aug 10, 2005 6:55 PM
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Well guys, any predictions tonight? I see we are leading in the second.
[Still up 5-2 in the 8th.]
[Still up 5-2 in the 8th.]
Re: Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 2
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 11, 2005 7:29 AM
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Hanshin won Game 2, 5-3 after a distasteful Game 1. Kanemoto went 2 for 5 with a home run and three RBI's. [Full Story - Daily Yomiuri] [Box Score - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
Hanshin now has a one and a half game lead over the Dragons. [Central League Standings - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
Hanshin now has a one and a half game lead over the Dragons. [Central League Standings - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
Re: Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 3
[ Author: MikkyT | Posted: Aug 11, 2005 8:54 PM
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As I take a break from work for a bit I notice The Tigers are up 8-3 in the decider and have notched up 16 hits against, of all people, Kawakami! Seems a pretty impressive turnaround from the first game, any insights from you guys as to why? (Other than the dry, uninsightful comments in the Japanese press.) Cheers.
Re: Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 3
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 11, 2005 9:48 PM
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There are many factors - The batting was superb and Kanemoto was hot and hit two home runs. The fielding was excellent and the JFK [triple stoppers Jeff (Williams), Fujikawa, and Kubota - not always in that order] team was functioning like a well oiled machine. I am hoping that this is the start of a victory dash.
Re: Tigers vs. Dragons - Game 3
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 12, 2005 9:46 AM
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- The batting was superb... The fielding was excellent... ...functioning like a well oiled machine
Which of course means that the pessimism expressed at the beginning of this thread wasn't justified. Yes, there's a long way to go; yes, they could still lose it from here - but the Tigers have shown that they can bounce back from hard defeats. This is a great team.
Which of course means that the pessimism expressed at the beginning of this thread wasn't justified. Yes, there's a long way to go; yes, they could still lose it from here - but the Tigers have shown that they can bounce back from hard defeats. This is a great team.
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Aug 13, 2005 6:36 PM
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Well torakichi the chatbox is open and I'm in there talking to myself at the moment. A few people showed up and left before I signed in. So if you're following the game online or on TV pop in. After one inning the Giants are up 2-0. So think of it as group therapy at this point.
You can find the chatbox link in the "real time posting" admin thread, and maybe somewhere else on the sight, but I'm not sure.
[Link provided here.]
You can find the chatbox link in the "real time posting" admin thread, and maybe somewhere else on the sight, but I'm not sure.
[Link provided here.]
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest: zman | Posted: Aug 14, 2005 12:05 AM
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Another sayonara loss to the dreaded midgets tonight. Hanshin bats have gone dead the last month or so. It may be the Spenser Effect is taking hold.
Well, as least the Dragons somehow lost to the Carp tonight, so the lead is still 1.5. This is not looking good, but of course as a Tigers fan, I still have faith.
I noticed Tuffy and Fatty (Kiyohara) were not in the lineup tonight again. I guess batting .215 and .245 (roughly) is not cutting it anymore. Anyway, the midgets are winning without them.
Well, as least the Dragons somehow lost to the Carp tonight, so the lead is still 1.5. This is not looking good, but of course as a Tigers fan, I still have faith.
I noticed Tuffy and Fatty (Kiyohara) were not in the lineup tonight again. I guess batting .215 and .245 (roughly) is not cutting it anymore. Anyway, the midgets are winning without them.
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest: sanshintigers | Posted: Aug 16, 2005 11:05 PM
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Yeah, Kyojin have become much better without the steroid twins! Well, there's still Kokubo.
But anyway, glad Hanshin didn't lose tonight, I guess.
[Miura (Yokohama) and Igawa (Hanshin) battled it out Tuesday night, each giving up 1 run through 8 innings. That's how the game ended after 12 complete.]
But anyway, glad Hanshin didn't lose tonight, I guess.
[Miura (Yokohama) and Igawa (Hanshin) battled it out Tuesday night, each giving up 1 run through 8 innings. That's how the game ended after 12 complete.]
Re: Annual Doomsday Road Trip
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Aug 17, 2005 10:47 AM
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Sheets is a real problem when comes to one run needed and one out. He has to be at a no out or 2 out situation. Why is that? Surely last night (August 16 against Yokohama) Andy could have won it for Tigers when he had one out and bases loaded in 11th. It's a pity, to throw away a sayonara victory.
Anyway, pitchers are sharp, and that's a good sign.
Anyway, pitchers are sharp, and that's a good sign.
Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: MikkyT | Posted: Aug 22, 2005 7:41 PM
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How about a final word from all the torakichi, as the roadtrip finishes with the Tigers four games clear of the Dragons, as opposed to one and a half clear (I think) at the start of the trip. Should the Tigers play away for the rest of the season as well?
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:52 PM
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Ummm. It's not over yet. They've got to play three more in Hiroshima before they return to Koshien.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 22, 2005 11:27 PM
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- Ummm. It's not over yet. They've got to play three more in Hiroshima before they return to Koshien.
It looks as though Hanshin will be fine, they proved that much in this long road trip. How the rest of the season will play out is yet to be seen, but I think Hanshin will be perfectly fine if this stretch is any indication.
It looks like Hanshin came out of the Road Trip of Doom fine, Hanshin is 4 games above the Dragons, and beat the Dragons 2 out of 3 games.
It seems like everywhere is home for Hanshin, definetly at the Osaka Dome (Hanshin's home away from home). Hanshin's fanbase sure helped them in this roadtrip, not to mention Osaka is basically their home away from Koshien.
It looks as though Hanshin will be fine, they proved that much in this long road trip. How the rest of the season will play out is yet to be seen, but I think Hanshin will be perfectly fine if this stretch is any indication.
It looks like Hanshin came out of the Road Trip of Doom fine, Hanshin is 4 games above the Dragons, and beat the Dragons 2 out of 3 games.
It seems like everywhere is home for Hanshin, definetly at the Osaka Dome (Hanshin's home away from home). Hanshin's fanbase sure helped them in this roadtrip, not to mention Osaka is basically their home away from Koshien.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 23, 2005 1:03 AM
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And a great job by the torakichi selling out Jingu over the last 3 nights to create a "home away from home" atmosphere! They overwhelmingly outnumbered the Swallows fans and made a whole lot of racket! Great stuff!
A query I have is, the press reported sell outs on all nights, however Saturday night's attendance was around 34,000 as opposed to Friday's and Sunday's figures of around 30,000. Why the discrepancy?
A query I have is, the press reported sell outs on all nights, however Saturday night's attendance was around 34,000 as opposed to Friday's and Sunday's figures of around 30,000. Why the discrepancy?
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 23, 2005 8:57 AM
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Just speculation, but possibly people who bought advance tickets but couldn't make the match?
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Aug 23, 2005 9:30 AM
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I would speculate that it's dafuya (scalpers) bought tickets and tried to sell them at prices that even torakichi weren't willing to pay.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Ayya | Posted: Aug 24, 2005 10:15 AM
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Yea, the team looks great.
Kanemoto had been the key factor for the raodtrip success. But the team has to remember that he will follow with a bad patch. So Sheets and Imaoka has to be more free batting when runners on base.
Kanemoto had been the key factor for the raodtrip success. But the team has to remember that he will follow with a bad patch. So Sheets and Imaoka has to be more free batting when runners on base.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 25, 2005 9:41 PM
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A bit premature, the prediction that everything is fine. Losing the series against the weakest team in the Central League was not good. The last game Okada did make a mistake - replacing Kataoka at first with Sheets (who despite his abilities strikes out far too often). However a winning shi no rodo makes a change.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 25, 2005 10:59 PM
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- The last game Okada did make a mistake - replacing Kataoka at first with Sheets (who despite his abilities strikes out far too often).
Well he may have been thinking that Sheets, being ex-Carp, may have had a better chance for a big hit against Hiroshima than Kataoka. Or that under the circumstances a righty would have been better than a lefty. Or that he needed some extra bases (Sheets leads the team in doubles). Kataoka (with his limited number of at-bats) has actually been striking out more often than Sheets (34% to 25%), so maybe that was another consideration for Okada. Or defensive ability.
So what's a mistake to you may have been a carefully thought-out stratagem based on sound reasoning.
Well he may have been thinking that Sheets, being ex-Carp, may have had a better chance for a big hit against Hiroshima than Kataoka. Or that under the circumstances a righty would have been better than a lefty. Or that he needed some extra bases (Sheets leads the team in doubles). Kataoka (with his limited number of at-bats) has actually been striking out more often than Sheets (34% to 25%), so maybe that was another consideration for Okada. Or defensive ability.
So what's a mistake to you may have been a carefully thought-out stratagem based on sound reasoning.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 26, 2005 7:44 AM
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All of the reasons might have been possible considerations. However, recent history has been the reverse - Kataoka has been hitting in most games he has played and Sheets is still striking out. There is no guarantee that Kataoka would have hit or not struck out. But Okada was taking more of a chance to employ someone who, on current form, leads the Central League in strikeouts (joint with Rhodes) as a pinch hitter, is a risky proposition at best. I rather think Okada tried something desperate and it didn't come off, but it doesn't lessen my respect for him as a coach.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 26, 2005 8:43 AM
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But Christopher, you always do this - criticize individual decisions of Okada and imply that you would have done something different if you had been in charge. (Always with the benefit of hindsight.) With Kataoka it's either hit or miss, and frankly, using him would have been more of a gamble in my mind than using a proven performer, against his old team, too.
The fact is, most Hanshin hitters were lousy last night - not just Sheets - and if it hadn't been for Imaoka's timely grand slam, they wouldn't have even been in the hunt.
The fact is, most Hanshin hitters were lousy last night - not just Sheets - and if it hadn't been for Imaoka's timely grand slam, they wouldn't have even been in the hunt.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 26, 2005 1:06 PM
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Actually hindsight has very little part to play in what I think. The reason things appear to be hindsight is that when I actually get to writing them down and presenting my reasoning it is usually after the match. The reasons that I mention are the ones which are obvious to me at the time the decision was made.
I am not necessarily against taking off Kataoka, but against the replacement of him by Sheets. For the reasons mentioned above Sheets is not really suitable as a pinch hitter, especially as he doesn't usually perform that role. True, he is batting against his old team, but just as he knows them they know him. Each cancels the other out. Given his recent run of strikeouts it was a massive risk using him on what was a single chance. Like Kataoka, he works best if he is in for the whole game.
I am not necessarily against taking off Kataoka, but against the replacement of him by Sheets. For the reasons mentioned above Sheets is not really suitable as a pinch hitter, especially as he doesn't usually perform that role. True, he is batting against his old team, but just as he knows them they know him. Each cancels the other out. Given his recent run of strikeouts it was a massive risk using him on what was a single chance. Like Kataoka, he works best if he is in for the whole game.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 26, 2005 9:41 PM
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- Actually hindsight has very little part to play in what I think
OK, if you say so. But I'm not sure that you give Okada enough credit for making difficult decisions which could turn out either way. Sometimes he gets it right; sometimes things go wrong. But to call his decision last night a mistake, well no, I don't think so. You could only call it a mistake in hindsight, because it only turned out to be a mistake because Sheets struck out. If he'd hit a home run, you wouldn't have said a word. Unless they're a specialist like Dave Hansen or someone like that, pinch hitting is a difficult role for any player. Ceteris paribus, the difference between a Kataoka or a Sheets is marginal in my view.
Often managers make decisions based on gut feeling. Sheets wasn't having much success in the lineup, so Okada rested him and brought him on to pinch hit. A change of scenery sometimes does wonders when you're in a slump. Tonight? Well Sheets struck out a couple of times back in the lineup. But so did Kataoka - as a pinch hitter. (As did most of the rest of the team come to think of it.) Both players failed in both games, in both roles. So what's a manager to do? Mix it up, tweak a little here and there. Eventually things turn.
Maybe Okada should drop Sheets down to 7th to take some of the pressure off. I think that's what I'd probably do.
OK, if you say so. But I'm not sure that you give Okada enough credit for making difficult decisions which could turn out either way. Sometimes he gets it right; sometimes things go wrong. But to call his decision last night a mistake, well no, I don't think so. You could only call it a mistake in hindsight, because it only turned out to be a mistake because Sheets struck out. If he'd hit a home run, you wouldn't have said a word. Unless they're a specialist like Dave Hansen or someone like that, pinch hitting is a difficult role for any player. Ceteris paribus, the difference between a Kataoka or a Sheets is marginal in my view.
Often managers make decisions based on gut feeling. Sheets wasn't having much success in the lineup, so Okada rested him and brought him on to pinch hit. A change of scenery sometimes does wonders when you're in a slump. Tonight? Well Sheets struck out a couple of times back in the lineup. But so did Kataoka - as a pinch hitter. (As did most of the rest of the team come to think of it.) Both players failed in both games, in both roles. So what's a manager to do? Mix it up, tweak a little here and there. Eventually things turn.
Maybe Okada should drop Sheets down to 7th to take some of the pressure off. I think that's what I'd probably do.
Decisions, Decisions
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 26, 2005 10:06 PM
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Actually I think Okada does very well with his decisions, except for some blind spots - Fukuhara for example.
With regard to Sheets it was fairly clear that he would not succeed in the pinch hit role whereas Kataoka has. Sometimes Okada might make a choice which turns out wrong but he does occaisionally get things totally wrong. I'm afraid Kataoka didn't fail at first base against the Carp. I like your suggestion of moving Sheets down the order though.
With regard to Sheets it was fairly clear that he would not succeed in the pinch hit role whereas Kataoka has. Sometimes Okada might make a choice which turns out wrong but he does occaisionally get things totally wrong. I'm afraid Kataoka didn't fail at first base against the Carp. I like your suggestion of moving Sheets down the order though.
Re: Decisions, Decisions
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 28, 2005 6:25 PM
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- With regard to Sheets, it was fairly clear that he would not succeed in the pinch hit role [...]
Well, it wasn't clear to me. In fact, in the last two games Sheets has hit safely in his first at-bat, including a two-run home run. So he can do it (if you consider that a first at-bat is akin to a pinch hit situation).
Well, it wasn't clear to me. In fact, in the last two games Sheets has hit safely in his first at-bat, including a two-run home run. So he can do it (if you consider that a first at-bat is akin to a pinch hit situation).
Re: Decisions, Decisions
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 28, 2005 9:39 PM
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Some might regard the first at bat as a pinch hit situation but most I suspect don't. Pinch hitting is a pressure situation - you only have one chance not four or five. Hardly a situation to hand to the strike out king of Japanese baseball.
Re: Decisions, Decisions
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 28, 2005 11:06 PM
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The pressure was certainly on Sheets to perform after a rough patch. And really, I'm sure no ball player approaches the first at-bat and says, "Oh well, I've got three more chances tonight, it doesn't matter if I fail here." Anyone who has that mindset wouldn't have made it to the top level to begin with.
No, Sheets would have been treating this at-bat the same way he treats all of them. They're all high pressure. And in fact, that's one thing I like about Sheets - he's always thinking and concentrating, and even though he does strike out a lot, the chance is always there that he'll hit for extra bases. And that's probably what Okada was thinking when he put him in there.
It's obvious we each have a different approach to managing, which is of course, fine, as long we can acknowledge that there are different ways of looking at a decision. You say Okada was wrong; all I'm saying is: not necessarily.
No, Sheets would have been treating this at-bat the same way he treats all of them. They're all high pressure. And in fact, that's one thing I like about Sheets - he's always thinking and concentrating, and even though he does strike out a lot, the chance is always there that he'll hit for extra bases. And that's probably what Okada was thinking when he put him in there.
It's obvious we each have a different approach to managing, which is of course, fine, as long we can acknowledge that there are different ways of looking at a decision. You say Okada was wrong; all I'm saying is: not necessarily.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 25, 2005 9:34 PM
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- It looks like Hanshin came out of the Road Trip of Doom fine, Hanshin is 4 games above the Dragons, and beat the Dragons 2 out of 3 games.
With the 7-5 loss to Hiroshima tonight, the Tigers finish their road trip only 2.5 games ahead of the Dragons, which is only a one game improvement. But it's a better result than some were predicting.
With the 7-5 loss to Hiroshima tonight, the Tigers finish their road trip only 2.5 games ahead of the Dragons, which is only a one game improvement. But it's a better result than some were predicting.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 25, 2005 10:44 PM
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- With the 7-5 loss to Hiroshima tonight, the Tigers finish their road trip only 2.5 games ahead of the Dragons, which is only a one game improvement.
Though, like you said, it's a lot better than expected at the beginning of this road trip, the season isn't over for sure, and Hanshin has to play strong for the rest of the season as nothing is for granted right now. For the time being I think Hanshin can breath a sigh of relief.
Though, like you said, it's a lot better than expected at the beginning of this road trip, the season isn't over for sure, and Hanshin has to play strong for the rest of the season as nothing is for granted right now. For the time being I think Hanshin can breath a sigh of relief.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Skinz | Posted: Aug 27, 2005 2:06 AM
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- With the 7-5 loss to Hiroshima tonight, the Tigers finish their road trip only 2.5 games ahead of the Dragons, which is only a one game improvement.
Make that now 1.5 games ahead of the Dragons after a night back at Koshien.
Make that now 1.5 games ahead of the Dragons after a night back at Koshien.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: MikkyT | Posted: Aug 28, 2005 2:25 AM
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Maybe I'm a touch out of date here with regard Sheets/Kataoka at first base, however, the Tigers only managed seven hits in the losing two games combined. The words "rearranging," "Titanic," and "deckchairs" spring to mind!
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 28, 2005 10:34 AM
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- The words "rearranging," "Titanic," and "deckchairs" spring to mind!
Sure, but pessimists always say that. The Tigers have been in this position before, but they always manage to surprise the naysayers and bounce back.
At the moment the ship's waterlogged, but certainly not sinking.
Sure, but pessimists always say that. The Tigers have been in this position before, but they always manage to surprise the naysayers and bounce back.
At the moment the ship's waterlogged, but certainly not sinking.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 28, 2005 11:06 PM
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- The Tigers have been in this position before, but they always manage to surprise the naysayers and bounce back.
And when was this?
And when was this?
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 29, 2005 12:46 AM
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- And when was this?
To be polite, you were one of the naysayers and doubters at the beginning of this road trip. You were questioning and doubting every one of Okada's decisions and that Hanshin would be lucky if they won one of three against the Dragons. The Tigers do need to keep playing strong, but aren't in a position of sinking. So far the psychology effect that you mentioned doesn't look like it is having much of an effect, albeit any or no effect at all.
Yes, Hanshin needs to play strong the rest of the year, and the rest of the team needs to keep playing strong. Also, this year Okada has done a great job managing, which is a big change in my opinion (minus a few small mistakes). I think this road trip is a start to putting the naysayers and doubters to rest, but Hanshin has to continue to play strong throughout the rest of the year.
To be polite, you were one of the naysayers and doubters at the beginning of this road trip. You were questioning and doubting every one of Okada's decisions and that Hanshin would be lucky if they won one of three against the Dragons. The Tigers do need to keep playing strong, but aren't in a position of sinking. So far the psychology effect that you mentioned doesn't look like it is having much of an effect, albeit any or no effect at all.
Yes, Hanshin needs to play strong the rest of the year, and the rest of the team needs to keep playing strong. Also, this year Okada has done a great job managing, which is a big change in my opinion (minus a few small mistakes). I think this road trip is a start to putting the naysayers and doubters to rest, but Hanshin has to continue to play strong throughout the rest of the year.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 29, 2005 11:05 AM
]
I was refering to the Tigers in a historical sense. Maybe I've supported them for too long, but in my time they have generally been awful, hence my pessimism.
Thanks for your expertise in hindsight John. Care to make any predictions yourself? And you can be sure I won't be as juvenile as to say "I told you so."
Thanks for your expertise in hindsight John. Care to make any predictions yourself? And you can be sure I won't be as juvenile as to say "I told you so."
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 29, 2005 2:58 PM
| HAN Fan
]
Your posts have certainly been pessimistic, but then on long term historical evidence, I suppose you did have some grounds for your pessimisim. However, on the evidence of recent history your doubts were very much misplaced.
I seem to remember that John predicted that they would end shinorodo slightly ahead (which is exactly what they did do). I didn't venture a prediction - why should I? But as I pointed out at the time, the series at Nagoya Dome was not the vital one.
I seem to remember that John predicted that they would end shinorodo slightly ahead (which is exactly what they did do). I didn't venture a prediction - why should I? But as I pointed out at the time, the series at Nagoya Dome was not the vital one.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 29, 2005 11:07 PM
]
- However, on the evidence of recent history your doubts were very much misplaced.
Come on, "very much misplaced"? We have blown a really good lead in the Central League and lost some games we should've won, and the resulting 1.5 lead has naturally made me more than a little nervous. You mean to say you have no doubts at all about the Tigers winning the CL? I don't think my negativity is "very much displaced," and in fact, I know more than quite a few worried Tigers fans.
Anyway, let's go Tigers tomorrow! Yes, even the pessimistic Tigers Baka has a good feeling about the upcoming series.
Come on, "very much misplaced"? We have blown a really good lead in the Central League and lost some games we should've won, and the resulting 1.5 lead has naturally made me more than a little nervous. You mean to say you have no doubts at all about the Tigers winning the CL? I don't think my negativity is "very much displaced," and in fact, I know more than quite a few worried Tigers fans.
Anyway, let's go Tigers tomorrow! Yes, even the pessimistic Tigers Baka has a good feeling about the upcoming series.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 10:26 AM
| HAN Fan
]
Being worried in a tight race is natural. However, dwelling too much on the historical aspect of things is misplaced. If the Tigers do lose this race it will be because of what happened this season not what happened over the past ten years. Recent history has shown that that Tigers can hold a lead and even improve on traditional bad points (under the great Hoshino-kantoku the Tigers' shi-no-rodo was terrible). So touch wood, touch wood.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 31, 2005 8:09 AM
| HT Fan
]
- We have blown a really good lead in the Central League and lost some games we should've won, and the resulting 1.5 lead has naturally made me more than a little nervous.
Yes, but look at it from the other side. If the Dragons have such a good team, why aren't they 10 games ahead of the field by now? They also blew a really good lead back in the inter-league period. We hear that they're on a roll, but they lost ground last time they met the Tigers head to head.
Yes, but look at it from the other side. If the Dragons have such a good team, why aren't they 10 games ahead of the field by now? They also blew a really good lead back in the inter-league period. We hear that they're on a roll, but they lost ground last time they met the Tigers head to head.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Mariner | Posted: Aug 31, 2005 12:10 PM
]
This August's Tigers on Tour event became a massive moot point once everyone realized that the Dragons aren't winning consistently either. You can be as pessimistic as you can, but neither team was able to put together good streaks during the stretch. It was just another road trip.
Re: Closing Words for the Roadtrip
[ Author: Guest: Nagoyan in Osakan Country | Posted: Aug 29, 2005 1:46 AM
]
Certainly not sinking, but wait 'til the Chunichi series; there's a salvo waiting. I've got many a bet on the Dragons, so if they lose I'll shut my trap. But regarless, Hanshin has surprised and impressed me this year. Good luck to Hanshin, but please sink soon.
Chunichi's Secret
[ Author: Guest: Ayya | Posted: Aug 29, 2005 11:50 AM
]
Chunichi has been living with one inning per game. They amazed me with their ability to manage one big inning their way. Really amazing.
Versus Hiroshima the first two games last weekend, the Carp took a huge lead, but Chunichi finished them off on one inning. And as I referred back to the stats, they had been doing like that ever since their doomed, inter-league games.
It really amazes me why these things has not been taken notice of by opposing managers. If they were able to cut Chunichi off of that big inning, opposition can win easily.
Regarding the Tigers now, sadly, only three pitchers are at their better half: Igawa, Andoh, and Sugiyama. All other starters are very brittle. So it's time for Okada-kantoku to try a few new faces like Chunichi did and has been successfull.
I wonder at the risks taken by Ochiai-kantoku has been worked out well. But still, I can't say he is a very good manager when compared to Okada.
Go Hanshin, go. It made me sick watching them go down against Hiroshima. Yano, Fujimoto, and Sheets have been a big let down.
Versus Hiroshima the first two games last weekend, the Carp took a huge lead, but Chunichi finished them off on one inning. And as I referred back to the stats, they had been doing like that ever since their doomed, inter-league games.
It really amazes me why these things has not been taken notice of by opposing managers. If they were able to cut Chunichi off of that big inning, opposition can win easily.
Regarding the Tigers now, sadly, only three pitchers are at their better half: Igawa, Andoh, and Sugiyama. All other starters are very brittle. So it's time for Okada-kantoku to try a few new faces like Chunichi did and has been successfull.
I wonder at the risks taken by Ochiai-kantoku has been worked out well. But still, I can't say he is a very good manager when compared to Okada.
Go Hanshin, go. It made me sick watching them go down against Hiroshima. Yano, Fujimoto, and Sheets have been a big let down.
Battle for First Series
[ Author: sanshintigers | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 12:26 AM
]
Well fellow Hanshin supporters, before we get too complacent with the team's survival of the road trip, let's take into account a major problem. Looking at the standings I see we have played five more games than the Dragons. That's a potential 2.5 games they can make up, and given recent form, the Dragons may actually win all those games. The point is that this series not only needs to be won, but to feel comfortable at all, a sweep is necessary. While we have won many series this year (hats off to the boys) not many have been sweeps. Therefore, as a very serious fan, I suggest all of us who can get to as many games as possible before season end and cheer the boys to victory! Fure fure fure fure.
After all, who wants to see Steroids vs. Dragons in the Nihon Series?
After all, who wants to see Steroids vs. Dragons in the Nihon Series?
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: himself | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 9:04 AM
| FSH Fan
]
- After all, who wants to see Steroids vs. Dragons in
> the Nihon Series?
If the "Steroids" you're talking about is a veiled reference to the Hawks, then absolutely, I'd love to see them in the Series. Preferrably against the Tigers, though. That comeback in 2003 is still fresh in the mind of this Hawks fan.
> the Nihon Series?
If the "Steroids" you're talking about is a veiled reference to the Hawks, then absolutely, I'd love to see them in the Series. Preferrably against the Tigers, though. That comeback in 2003 is still fresh in the mind of this Hawks fan.
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: badteacher | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 12:07 PM
| CD Fan
]
I'd like to see that, too. I fear for Col. Sanders.
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 8:42 PM
]
If it's the Hawks that will be in the Series, I'm going to have to say I'm looking forward to a Hawks-Dragons series or even a Hawks-Tigers series. I'm gladly looking forward to the possibilty of the Hawks in the Series.
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 10:50 PM
| CLM Fan
]
No need to worry, because the Machine-gun Marines are going to be winning it all this year. You read it here first.
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: himself | Posted: Sep 2, 2005 3:34 AM
| FSH Fan
]
If that last series was any indication, the Hawks still have an upper hand. We'll see you in the playoffs.
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: mijow | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 9:34 PM
| HT Fan
]
- That comeback in 2003 is still fresh in the mind of this Hawks fan.
And it's still fresh in the mind of this Tigers fan. It'll be payback time come this October. (That is if we survive the Dragons first.)
And it's still fresh in the mind of this Tigers fan. It'll be payback time come this October.
(That is if we survive the Dragons first.)Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 10:59 PM
]
I'll be there Sanshin, making some noise at games in Kansai and Chugoku! You bet ya! You eyeing a few games in Tokyo?
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: sanshintigers | Posted: Sep 1, 2005 8:41 PM
]
Yeah, baka, I'll get to a few games up here. And you know another reason I'd like to see Chiba win the Pa-League (other than intense hatred for the Hawks) is the chance to see a Series game live as I did last year. For the same reason I hope Seibu overtakes Orix as well. I've got post-season fever - even my hometown Padres lead the NL Worst. Woo hoo!
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: Guest: Tigers Baka | Posted: Sep 2, 2005 12:55 AM
]
Nice one Sanshin! Make sure you take more of those signs you're infamous for to some games coming down the stretch! Sure the players mightn't see them, but the fans sure do!
Yeah, that NL West stinks huh? San Diego is just playing .500 ball, but 5.5 up on the D-Backs. Yet the NL east has a team in the cellar playing 5 above .500 in September. Incredible!
Good luck with your boys!
Yeah, that NL West stinks huh? San Diego is just playing .500 ball, but 5.5 up on the D-Backs. Yet the NL east has a team in the cellar playing 5 above .500 in September. Incredible!
Good luck with your boys!
Re: Battle for First Series
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Sep 2, 2005 8:28 AM
]
The Hanshin Tigers defeated the Dragons 8-1 in Game 1. Imaoka was the star in the win going 3 for 4, with 2 HRs, 6 RBIs, a triple, and scoring 3 runs. [Full Story - Daily Yomiuri] [Box Score - Borisov's Pro Yakyu]
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Watching the last few games, the Tigers have lost that air of confidence and are starting to try too hard in the batters box, i.e. swinging at everything, getting behind in the count early on. Some awful golf swings in the dirt tonight (August 3)!
It's fairly certain we won't break .500 on the road this month despite the so called "home games" at the Osaka Dome, so here's hoping for a Chunichi slump in August!