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The thrill is gone...
After spending so much time making the FAQ and trying to figure out how to make this game play, I sorta think the thrill is gone. That initial happiness of a new game is gone and I'm stuck with reality. Bottom line is that the game balance is still very much uneven. I hit 13 homeruns in the month of April with Lee Seung Yeop, but only 2 with Kokubo. Lee has the Start Dash ability, but I think it has to do with Power Hitter ability. He is the only Giant with Power Hitter. Abe also has Start Dash, and though he hit well, he only got 3 homers.

Also, I gotta say I'm still very turned off by how hard the CPU can hit you. Hamanaka got 4 homers off of us in a game. That's just too much.

I also think Konami doesn't represent Japanese pitching here, either. The stamina gauge goes down too much. You can have a shutout going, but give up 7 hits, and you won't be able to continue at all because of the stupid stamina system. Japanese baseball has a ton of complete games, and you have to pull a miracle off to get complete games on higher settings. It should be a challenge, but it's a very flawed and frustrating stamina system.

Also, the match times are pretty painful. If you go at a fast pace, one game could take you from 45-60 minutes. If you rush yourself to finish a game quickly, the game will punish you by hitting a ton. This adds to the frustration. When you're losing, sometimes it feels like the game will never end.

As fun as PYS3 was at first play, I'm still crowning Pawapuro as the king of baseball games. I think PawaMajor should be a little more fun and less of a chore for me to play. Here are the factors I can list that make Pawapuro better than Spirits.


Time - I usually sit on the floor to play games, and by the end of a game on Pro Yakyu Spirits 3, my spine is compressed to hell. You can play three Pawapuro games in the time it takes you to play one game of Spirits.

Story - Spirits can make you sit down to play a game with it's pretty graphics and nice presentation, but it's very hard to invest time in it. I really don't like playing a bunch of games in Pennant with almost no story at all. The missions in Maji Pennant can give you story sometimes, but they're all generic and lame. Plus you have to know Japanese to be able to read them. Pawapuro doesn't really need any story during Pennant, because the play on the field is the story. A lot more personality shines through in Pawapuro games.

Balance - No matter what, everything will be equal in Pawapuro. In Pro Yakyu Spirits, I find myself hitting .450 with guys who shouldn't be. In Pawapuro, because the physics and system are so much better, everyone hits the way they should. The ball feels heavier and it feels like the only people who do hit the long ball on a regular basis are on another level.

Edit - The genius thing about Pawapuro is how you can make ANYONE. Because the graphics are so simple, you can fool your mind into thinking they're acceptable player models. The more detailed graphics get, the harder it is to fool your mind into thinking you've created a decent edit. Also, Pawapuro allows us to edit teams and use them in Pennant Mode. Netsu Sta takes this one further and gives you a completely free edit system to be used with all modes, teams, and players.


I'm going to see how Netsu Sta is now. I get so bipolar when it comes to this Spirits franchise, because it ALWAYS burns me when it comes to game balance. The moment I think everything is fixed, I hit 8 homers in a month with Nishi and bat .450 with Joe Dillon. No difficulty tweaking will fix that, because it's just a shoddy system. In the future, I'm just going to expect this to be the eye candy and let Pawapuro give me the gameplay.


Comments
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Apr 12, 2006 9:08 PM ]

Hey BigManZam , I've got the same problem every year with baseball games.
I just can't get into a game that isn't realistic (I'm a stat freak).
I have not bought any this year yet (I tried to update the roster and edit all of the players name in english on Baseball Live , but then again, no balance).
I couldn't get into Pawapuro 12 , because of the unrealistic balls/strikes thrown ratio.
I wanted to ask you, I've seen that there is a manager-simulation option in the pennant mode , have you tried it ? Is it basically a mode where you control the positions of the players, the rosters, the pitching changes, bunt, steals etc...while watching the game ?
I'd like to have your comments on it (if it's not too much trouble).
It just seems to me that by playing a manager-only mode is easier to get balance (and realistic stats).

Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: Guest: skinz | Posted: Apr 12, 2006 11:16 PM ]

Same here with baseball games, you get so excited because its new with new things but realize reality when you start playing it more. I heard from other Japanese gamers that the CPU is way too hard in PSY3, and that it looks and plays exactly like last years version,which turned them off since Namco game is all new with Famista and etc. So far the grade is a D by them.
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: Guest: gx9901 | Posted: Apr 13, 2006 1:15 AM ]

That's too bad about the balance of PYS3. I also felt there are some balance issues with PYS2 that's why I opted to try Netsu Sta first this year. Hopefully it will be balanced enough for me.

Do you guys play any MLB baseball games? I've only bought MLB (989 sports) baseball for PSP in the last year and those games (MLB & MLB '06), for me, turned out to be the best simulations of baseball I've ever played (and I've played a lot of different baseball games starting with the 8 bit era). Usually after a couple of seasons in video game baseball I end up winning over 90% of the time. In last year's MLB, I was struggling to stay in playoff contention in the 5th season I played. All this with fairly realistic stats. I would love to have a Yakyu game with this kind of challenge and realism for me.
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: Guest: skinz | Posted: Apr 13, 2006 1:54 AM ]

I agree with PYS2 balance problem, but Namco is not free from that problem. Baseball Live 2005 was great after playing PSY2 for so long but I realized that its way too easy to hit a HR in Baseball Live, I had 17 HR in May with Zuleta in one of my Hawks season. However, Baseball Live had the slump system which sometime worked to try to balance it out.

I played MLB 06 last year and it was good but it just was so boring. I can't play more than 50 MLB games because there's no life or energy in those games. The pitching system was great but I hated the batting system (I hate zone hitting)
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 13, 2006 3:29 AM | CLM Fan ]

Yeah, I went back to 2ch for the first time in a while and read what the guys in the PYS3 thread were talking about. Most were talking about how the game is unbalanced and there are too many homeruns. I tried to use a couple settings guys posted, but it's just not fun.

Netsu Sta is pretty much the same as Baseball Live. I can't really get into that game much at all. Once again, it doesn't feel FUN. I feel like it's a chore to get through matches. Also, there's a bug they didn't fix in which fast players with good bunting can drop down a bunt hit everytime.

Here's to hoping PawaMajor and even Winning Eleven 10 give us some better and more FUN gameplay. Key word there is FUN. Hehe.
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 13, 2006 3:33 AM | CLM Fan ]

If Pawapuro can fix the balls, hit by pitches, and distribute RBIs by computer simulation, it'll be a perfect game to me. That's all they need to do.
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 13, 2006 6:14 AM | CLM Fan ]

I tried management pennant. It's VERY boring. Think of when you play as a single player, but the camera view is from the manager's POV. If you want to waste hours watching a computer play, then you'll love it.
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Apr 13, 2006 8:51 PM ]

But (in manage-only mode) do you just watch, or are you involved in the decision ? (roster changes, hit and run, bunt etc...) ?
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Apr 14, 2006 4:16 AM | CLM Fan ]

Only subs.
Re: The thrill is gone...
[ Author: Guest: goisles01 | Posted: Apr 24, 2006 11:13 PM ]

Why does the type of ball used in the game defaults to heavy EVEN when you HAVEN'T unlocked that ball in VIP. You can fool around with it in pregame settings all you want but the GAME ball will still be heavy.
I crush balls all the time, in free pennant, and even have that nice little animation where the batter follows through nice and you know its gone but sometimes the ball dont make the warning track. This may contribute to unbalance in gameplay.
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