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Re: Buffaloes
[ Author: BigManZam | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 5:20 PM
| CLM Fan
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Whatever. The Japanese players aren't going to play for free when the MLB is netting all the profits. Bobby isn't holding back Japan's participation. He only cares about the well being of his players. The actual players are the ones who don't want to participate.
Re: Buffaloes
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 5:39 PM
| HAN Fan
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It's finally nice to see a Buffaloes fan, though you are in a bit of a minority in the Kansai area. However Valentine's points about the WBC are all very valid and at least he is making them. The WBC is not a good idea even as a small step - most sports who have set up World Cups in recent years didn't need this kind of tournament.
Re: Buffaloes
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 10:14 PM
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Well, we are a minority. When I tell my students that I'm a buffaloes fan, their first reaction is "Hanshin wa?"
But I do not agree at all with Valentine's points. Sure, his players are going to be a little tired, and sure, there are risks of injury. However, there are also risks of injury in the winter leagues where many Japanese players go to practice and keep in shape during the off season. Mr. Valentine seems to have little problem with them doing that, if any problem at all.
And the last I heard, the general consensus was that a heck of a lot of players wanted to go. Perhaps we should ask those who have a chance of going instead of just throwing it out to every minor leaguer who has close to no chance to go.
But I do not agree at all with Valentine's points. Sure, his players are going to be a little tired, and sure, there are risks of injury. However, there are also risks of injury in the winter leagues where many Japanese players go to practice and keep in shape during the off season. Mr. Valentine seems to have little problem with them doing that, if any problem at all.
And the last I heard, the general consensus was that a heck of a lot of players wanted to go. Perhaps we should ask those who have a chance of going instead of just throwing it out to every minor leaguer who has close to no chance to go.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 8:34 PM
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Though, the problem with the WBC is the fact that it's completely in favor of MLB and the MLBPA. It's designed to favor these two parties only.
The fact that MLB came over and issued an ultimatium is what ticked Bobby Valentine a lot. Along with the extreme favoritism designed in favor of MLB and the MLBPA. The WBC is corrupt, flawed, and a power trip designed completely in favor of MLB and the MLBPA.
Also, Valentine is in favor of a true World Series (which would pit the best North American team against the best team in Asia).
Swallows' catcher and JBPBA head union representative said the same thing about the WBC. That's the concept behind the idea that the WBC is flawed, designed completely in favor of MLB and the MLBPA. Also, it would be better to play the finals later on in July. I agree with Furuta and Valentine's remarks about the WBC, because so far MLB and the MLBPA have done nothing to sway my opinion otherwise.
The fact that MLB came over and issued an ultimatium is what ticked Bobby Valentine a lot. Along with the extreme favoritism designed in favor of MLB and the MLBPA. The WBC is corrupt, flawed, and a power trip designed completely in favor of MLB and the MLBPA.
Also, Valentine is in favor of a true World Series (which would pit the best North American team against the best team in Asia).
Swallows' catcher and JBPBA head union representative said the same thing about the WBC. That's the concept behind the idea that the WBC is flawed, designed completely in favor of MLB and the MLBPA. Also, it would be better to play the finals later on in July. I agree with Furuta and Valentine's remarks about the WBC, because so far MLB and the MLBPA have done nothing to sway my opinion otherwise.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Aug 30, 2005 11:51 PM
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Japanese would not win over Venezuela, Cuba, Dominica, ...
The "real" World Series should be the winners of Asian leagues and Latin American leagues with the MLB champion team.
The "real" World Series should be the winners of Asian leagues and Latin American leagues with the MLB champion team.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Christopher | Posted: Aug 31, 2005 8:17 AM
| HAN Fan
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- Japanese would not win over Venezuela, Cuba, Dominica, ...
That remains to be proved. However, the Daily Yomiuri is reporting that the Japanese players union will agree to participate in the WBC after all. The decision will apparently be taken at their next meeting in Osaka.
That remains to be proved. However, the Daily Yomiuri is reporting that the Japanese players union will agree to participate in the WBC after all. The decision will apparently be taken at their next meeting in Osaka.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Something Lions | Posted: Aug 31, 2005 10:31 AM
| SL Fan
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- The "real" World Series should be the winners of Asian leagues and Latin American leagues with the MLB champion team.
Do you mean the Winter Leagues? Those teams are stocked with MLB players. But then again, best Asian players are starting to migrate towards the MLB, too, so I'm not too keen on a "real World Series."
A "real World Cup" would be nice, but because most of the world's best players are signed with MLB teams, it's understandable that they have a lot of leverage for these types of events (Olympics as well). So, I'll take this small step forward, though I doubt there will ever be a "real World Series" or a "real World Cup" in baseball.
Do you mean the Winter Leagues? Those teams are stocked with MLB players. But then again, best Asian players are starting to migrate towards the MLB, too, so I'm not too keen on a "real World Series."
A "real World Cup" would be nice, but because most of the world's best players are signed with MLB teams, it's understandable that they have a lot of leverage for these types of events (Olympics as well). So, I'll take this small step forward, though I doubt there will ever be a "real World Series" or a "real World Cup" in baseball.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Aug 31, 2005 8:36 AM
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- Japanese would not win over Venezuela, Cuba, Dominica, ...
It remains to be seen if Cuba even plays in the WBC, as Fidel Castro has yet to accept the invitation.
Also, it remains to be seen what Japan will do. I still think they will finish anywhere from 1st to 3rd if they play.
It remains to be seen if Cuba even plays in the WBC, as Fidel Castro has yet to accept the invitation.
Also, it remains to be seen what Japan will do. I still think they will finish anywhere from 1st to 3rd if they play.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Guest | Posted: Sep 1, 2005 1:02 AM
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- Though, the problem with the WBC is the fact that it's completely in favor of MLB and the MLBPA. It's designed to favor these two parties only.
I've been told that this is so an insane number of times. However, no one has pointed out how this is so. My question is not what it is, but why it is? To my understanding, the design is the following: Players will be able to play for their country of origin, i.e. Williams, an Aussie pitcher who plays for Hanshin, will be able to play for Australia. Likewise Ichiro and the crew in the MLB would play for Japan. Seems fair to me.
I've been told that this is so an insane number of times. However, no one has pointed out how this is so. My question is not what it is, but why it is? To my understanding, the design is the following: Players will be able to play for their country of origin, i.e. Williams, an Aussie pitcher who plays for Hanshin, will be able to play for Australia. Likewise Ichiro and the crew in the MLB would play for Japan. Seems fair to me.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: Guest: John Brooks | Posted: Sep 1, 2005 9:04 AM
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That's not the problem, it is designed to make profit for MLB and the MLBPA. MLB and the MLBPA are the ones with all the say in this tournament. An independent organization outside of MLB and the MLBPA needs to be in charge (as the MLB and MLBPA are playing a power trip).
Like Furuta said, this touranment is designed with the MLB and the MLBPA's future in mind only.
Like Furuta said, this touranment is designed with the MLB and the MLBPA's future in mind only.
Re: WBC Problems
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Sep 1, 2005 2:47 PM
| YBS Fan
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This topic has been discussed here, here, and here ad nauseam.
For those many of you who have not read through those threads and live exclusively in a North-American media vacuum, there already is an International Baseball World Cup sponsored by the International Baseball Federation (IBAF) as I mentioned here. I have yet to hear why the World Baseball Classic is necessary when this already exists. And "because the MLB doesn't recognise the IBAF" isn't an answer.
If you want to continue discussing the WBC, please address what MLB is doing differently than the IBAF to make this different. Please explain why the MLB will not allow its players to participate in the IBAF World Cup event, and how that differs from the concerns of Valentine-kantoku and the Players Association.
And above all, please stop repeating the same arguements that are already in this and the other three threads.
For those many of you who have not read through those threads and live exclusively in a North-American media vacuum, there already is an International Baseball World Cup sponsored by the International Baseball Federation (IBAF) as I mentioned here. I have yet to hear why the World Baseball Classic is necessary when this already exists. And "because the MLB doesn't recognise the IBAF" isn't an answer.
If you want to continue discussing the WBC, please address what MLB is doing differently than the IBAF to make this different. Please explain why the MLB will not allow its players to participate in the IBAF World Cup event, and how that differs from the concerns of Valentine-kantoku and the Players Association.
And above all, please stop repeating the same arguements that are already in this and the other three threads.
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But Bobby has ruined it for me. Why does he insist that the WBC is going to turn his players into little monsters that will be worn out for the entire year. Here's what will happen Bobby, they will play games here, probably win, go to America, get a case of jetlag, lose late in the series, come back here, have jetlag for another couple of days, and your team will keep winning. The WBC is a step closer (albeit a small step) to playing an actual World Series. Please don't mess that up.
As of now, you've messed it up for me, Bobby. I've since happily migrated to the right field bleachers and found the beauty of the ORIX fans. Not as welcoming, not as wild, but at least they're not cheering for you. Go Buffaloes.